James Burden and Margaret Drummond

[trish1120]

Sorry I'm going crazy (I blame the lockdown nere in Sydney!)

Yes I was confused with the Marriage being in England instead of Scotland hence my Sept 1837 comment.

James Jnr certainly got around 1841 in West Lothian
James Burdon 25 Schoolmaster
Eliza Burdon 20
James Burdon 2
Thomas Burdon 10 mths
Thomas Weir 55
Mary Weir 50
Janet Weir 15

[ColC]

The marriage I posted in London 1836 is more likely, especially that Eliza was born in England.
Sadly the year before Statutory Registration began in England (1855 in Scotland). There is no record on SP for James marriage in Denny or elsewhere in Scotland at that time.

You did not mention when and where James and Margaret died, there is no record for a 100 year old Margaret Burden or Drummond death in Scotland but as she would have only been 16 when James junior was born I suspect something in amiss.

Colin

[rosie17]

Hi all the marriage is on SP 15 November 1836 Denny
James Burdon Eliza Weir
FindMyPast has it also
James Burdon
Residence Denny
School Master
Spouse Eliza Weir
Her residence Stoneywood
Her father's name Thomas Weir
No mention of his father

Rosie

[ColC]

Hi Rosie, I see it now I put James Burden with name variations and it did not show, should have used a wildcard.

Strange about the marriage in London same year?

Colin

[rosie17]

Colin still not seeing anything on James Burden/Burdon and Margaret Drummond 

Rosie

[ColC]

Colin still not seeing anything on James Burden/Burdon and Margaret Drummond 

Rosie

I can find nothing except a JAMES BURDON   Died    30/06/1835 Blackford, near Auchteadar and several for Margaret Drummond but nowhere close to 100 years old. No census returns for either that I can see, Janet was born Lanarks/Glasgow (1841/1851) about 1822 but no record. which is another confusion.

Colin

[DonM]

Clarity - All is from SP and Forum Submitters

James Burden was born the 19th, baptized 20 Oct 1811 Auchterader - with correct parents
Marriage 25 Nov 1836 Denny

Census 1851
James 39 Perth, Auchterarder
Eliza 32 England
James 12 Linlithgow
Thomas 10 Linlithgow
Isabella 6 Old Monkland
Mary Ann 3 Old Monkland
John 1 Old Monkland
Janet Burdon (family member) sister 29 Glasgow
Mary Anne Weir MIL 61 England

Census 1861
Additions (All Old Monkland)
Margaret 9
Henry 7
William 1
And one more (Eliza) in 1862.

There is definitely no death of a 100 year old Margaret - she likely died pre 1855.  Janet Burden b 1822 (sister) there is no birth for her and there is no other births of Burden with parents James/Drummond.  They could simply not be baptized or possibly switched churches which there are few records.

Since Eliza's mother is living in the 1851 but not the 1861 she is likely deceased.  I looked at far too many Mary Weir's and I'll stick my neck out and say she likely died pre 1855. 

But from her daughter's 1886 death her father was Thomas Weir a Stationer and her mother Mary Ann Horne.  William Burdon, son was the informant.

Don

[DBurdon]

Hi Don, Rosie, Colin and Trish,

Thank you all for helping me with this mystery. Though some pieces are still blury, they likely always will be.

You have all helped greatly though and I would never have gotten so far.

I suspect you are right in that Margaret Drummond probably didn't die at the age of 100 in 1895, so I will settle with the fact that she was probably one of the Margarets that passed away at an earlier time in that area. It is liekly that also that the James Burden who passed in 1835 in Blackford. I have seen multiple public trees that have James Jnr as passing in 1935, but I think they must have mistaken the two James', since James Jnr was still working as a Schoolmaster and Registrar in the mid 1800s according to the census records and other registrar documents online.

Again many thanks to you all, and I will search SP and the British Newspaper archive for any additional info that may be hidden in a word or two with mention of various fmaily memebers.

DB

[rosie17]

I 'm assuming you have the death certificate for James the son ?.Does it mention anything about his parents I would assume they are both deceased ..I have not found a census record for the sister 1841 ..found her in later census records with her brother & family 1851 onwards

Rosie