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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 14 October 21 18:32 BST (UK) »
Lucy CLARKE to Sam BUTCHER   Marriage   12 Nov 1780   Bedfordshire   Biggleswade :
St Andrew : Other Transcript - no detail

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 14 October 21 18:39 BST (UK) »
Other children of Sam a Labourer & Lucy
Lucy BUTCHER   Baptism   18 Mar 1781   Bedfordshire   Biggleswade : St Andrew

Sandy : St Swithin Bedfordshire
Wm BUTCHER   Baptism   9 Jun 1784
Lucy BUTCHER   Baptism   4 May 1787
Eliz BUTCHER   Baptism   23 Oct 1788
Ann BUTCHER   Baptism   16 Oct 1791
Chas BUTCHER   Baptism   22 Apr 1793

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 October 21 18:43 BST (UK) »
Burials Sandy : St Swithin, all noted as children of Sam

Lucy BUTCHER      17 Sep 1784   

BUTCHER   Burial   14 Nov 1784 (Unbaptised)   

Wm BUTCHER   Burial   1 Mar 1800   

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 14 October 21 20:06 BST (UK) »
Quote from: ColC on Thursday 14 October 21 18:32 BST (UK)
Lucy CLARKE to Sam BUTCHER   Marriage   12 Nov 1780   Bedfordshire   Biggleswade :
St Andrew : Other Transcript - no detail

Samuel, of Upper Stondon.
Lucy, minor.
consent of her father
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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 14 October 21 23:22 BST (UK) »
Queenie,
Thank you so much for investigating further into this BUTCHER family.  And I think the evidence you have brought up points more and more to a mistranscription of HEEP for KEEP.  (Was almost expecting the family member Uriah to turn up!).  And also that the 1823 marriage in London is very possibly/probably of significant relevance.
And thank you both, Colin and Cuffie81 for your own further valuable contributions.  The BUTCHER picture has been greatly clarified for me by you all today...
Keith

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 15 October 21 01:17 BST (UK) »
...and I've just come across another piece of fascinating evidence...
In the Bedfordshire Archives Services online there is an article about Baptists In Sandy.  Apparently in 1813 the house of a Joseph KEEP, amongst others, was registered as a Nonconformist meeting place.  I wonder if his Nonconformist faith had anything to do with the KEEP family moving to London for a while?
Wasn't it somewhere near Aldersgate where the Wesleys first began their Methodist movement?  All rather wild speculation, but at least the name Joseph KEEP appears in Sandy at about the right time...
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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 15 October 21 06:51 BST (UK) »
Ancestry England
Census 1851     Girford  Sandy Bedfordshire
BALDWIN Betsey             head             62y  married          b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD Richard      son in law     36y   ag. labourer   b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD Nan*         dau              31y   dressmaker    b. Northill, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD Susannah   dau                8y                       b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD Maria         dau                7y                       b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD William       son                4y                       b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD George       son                2y                       b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
BUTCHER       John           lodger   wid.  garden ***  58y    b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
BUTCHER       Emma        dau                16y  charwoman   b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
BUTCHER       Joseph       son                 14y rail servant    b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
BUTCHER       Sam          son                 12y gar. lab.         b. Sandy, Bedfordshire

(Nan*...I read this to be Ann)

Census 1861   Downham, Cambridgeshire
BALDWIN       William          56y  head  gardener        b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
BALDWIN       Elizth            74y   wife                        b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD Susannah      19y  g.dau                      b. Sandy, Bedfordshire
UNDERWOOD William Gray  14y  g.son                      b. Sandy, Bedfordshire           
UNDERWOOD E. Ann            3y  g. dau                      b. Sandy, Bedfordshire

Freebdm  DecQ 1842  Biggleswade  Vol 6 pg119
BUTCHER Ann   marr.  UNDERWOOD Richard

Who is grandmother Betsey/Elizabeth BALDWIN?.  What was her name before she married William BALDWIN?

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 15 October 21 08:04 BST (UK) »
Wivenhoe,
Thanks so much for this, I must say that I hadn't quite noticed that the widowerJohn BUTCHER was lodging with the BALDWIN/UNDERWOOD family in Girtford Village, Sandy in the 1851 Census with three of his children.  Quite a large household therefore.
And I'm not sure about the family connections here, and also the age difference of 18 years between Elizabeth and William BALDING in that 1861 Census in Downham, Cambs is rather odd.  Very interesting to see that BUTCHER/UNDERWOOD marriage, though...
Keith

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Re: BUTCHER family of Sandy, 18th-19thC. John BUTCHER/Mary HEEP/KEEP marriage 1823?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 15 October 21 08:16 BST (UK) »
Wivenhoe,
It could well be that the Betsey/Elizabeth individual was the Elizabeth BUTCHER, daughter of Samuel BUTCHER and Lucy CLARKE, bapt. 23-10-1788. Mentioned earlier in this thread.  And therefore she was an elder sister to John BUTCHER, bapt. 10-12-1794.   Her marriage to a Mr BALDWIN must occur somewhere...
Keith
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