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Re: Missing family on ionic ship 1897
« Reply #333 on: Friday 28 January 22 00:39 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm. Maybe the George that died isn’t my George.
George did end up in Sydney though. He was a Widower when he married Ida Tindell on 31st May 1893 at St Michael Church in Sydney. His birth location is New Malden Surrey England - my missing man’s same birth location so I’m sure this is his brother.
Just tying up some loose ends ……
This is the correct brother to John Edmund SMITH, and I wonder if John was following his brother’s lead when he departed with his 2 boys to Australia.

George Arthur SMITH divorced his first wife Ellen Maria MERRYWEATHER, on the grounds she has committed adultery. Divorce petition filed in 1889 & Final decree was in Nov 1892. George got custody of the three children and brought them to Australia.
In 1892 he filed for bankruptcy in Sydney
In 1893 he married Ida Tindall in Sydney
1903-1904 in electoral rolls working as a bank clerk in Sydney
1910 Died in Sydney.

The children were:
1/   Frances Margaret SMITH born 1880 England
2/   Florence Elizabeth SMITH born England 1882, died NSW 1955
Married Gustavus HAVERSTEIN in 1903 Sydney. Gustavus shot himself (suicide) in 1908.
Florence married again in 1916 Sydney to John George Stickley FOUNTAIN.
3/   Percival Arthur William SMITH born 1884 England; died 1919 Newtown
In 1898 he was in trouble with the law for truancy, keeping bad company and wandering the streets. His father gave evidence against him. The boy claimed he ran away as his parents were cruel to him.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
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Re: Missing family on ionic ship 1897
« Reply #334 on: Friday 28 January 22 08:56 GMT (UK) »
I agree with the family of George above. Interesting that Percival went off the rails.

I found an article (below if you have access). July 30 1940.
Owen was assigned by the Department of Visual Education to take school groups through the Philadelphia aquarium.

In another article, Lionel mentioned that his father was associated with Philadelphia zoo.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/171091431/?terms=Owen%20forrest&match=1

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« Reply #335 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:01 GMT (UK) »
I think I have discovered why John Edmund calls himself a "journalist". He wrote a series of "Letters to the Editor" to the Sunday Times during the 1920s and 1930s. In many he mentions time in Australia. Will copy a few here, happy to send the lot to Arnside.  :)

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Re: Missing family on ionic ship 1897
« Reply #336 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:05 GMT (UK) »
I think I have discovered why John Edmund calls himself a "journalist". He wrote a series of "Letters to the Editor" to the Sunday Times during the 1920s and 1930s. In many he mentions time in Australia. Will copy a few here, happy to send the lot to Arnside.  :)

It would be great if you could send them to me. Thanks !


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« Reply #337 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Sunday Times    Sunday,  Apr. 12, 1925

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« Reply #338 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:09 GMT (UK) »
The Sunday Times     Sunday,  Mar. 27, 1927

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« Reply #339 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:12 GMT (UK) »
The Sunday Times     Sunday,  Sept. 18, 1927

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« Reply #340 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't help with dating at all, but I like this one - could have been written today!

Sunday Times     Sunday,  Mar. 16, 1924

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Re: Missing family on ionic ship 1897
« Reply #341 on: Friday 28 January 22 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Barton McGUCKIN sang in Australia in 1897, leaving in November 1897 according to this article. If John Edmund saw him, John must have been in Oz before then.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article120783018

Modified to add:
The performances were in Melbourne beginning 25 Sept 1897
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article54504031

and in Sydney 2 October 1897
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14094335

Many other articles on trove. Unfortunately as they appear to have given concerts in a number of cities, it doesn't help with exactly where John Edmund was.

Modified to correct the date that McGUCKIN was in Oz.