John James Caine (1858 _?1928)

[Ozcaine]

John James Caine was my husbands great great grandfather. He was a mariner, but in later life was crippled and became known as John the Matmaker. My grandmother-in-law told me that there was some kind of accident at sea and he ended up in the freezing water (possibly trying to save someone). The 1911 census gives his occupation as Mariner, but in 1921 he was Disabled Fisherman. Does anyone know how I can find out anything more about him. (His wife was Emma Amelia nee Gregor)
thanks. Janice Caine

[Frances_mnb]

I have a fam tree for the Greg(g)or family of Peel - see www.manxnotebook.com/famhist/families/greggor.htm
I think given the Peel connection that J J Caine's parents are John Cain + elizth garrett m Kirk German(ie Peel)  18551229
and Emily is dau of Benjamin Gregor + Ann Cringal

[Rosinish]

My grandmother-in-law told me that there was some kind of accident at sea and he ended up in the freezing water (possibly trying to save someone). The 1911 census gives his occupation as Mariner, but in 1921 he was Disabled Fisherman. Does anyone know how I can find out anything more about him. (His wife was Emma Amelia nee Gregor)

Can you be more specific please?

Born/married/died on IoM?

What other info. do you have if any?

Have you checked earlier census', his marriage, births/marriages/deaths of his children & his death cert. which will all give his occupation at those different times?

Have you checked newspapers for the 'accident' which would seem to have occurred some time between 1911 & 1921?

Annie

[Rosinish]

I think he's the chap who in 1871 is a Farmer's son, 1881 a Fireman & 1891 a Fireman on Steamboat?

Annie

[Ozcaine]

Thanks for the replies. That's given me a few hints. I think the occupation of Fireman put me off, but Ships fireman makes more sense. I believe he was born & died on the Isle of Man, I now think he died in 1928. Agree his father was John Cain & Mother Elizabeth Garrett. Couldn't find anything in newspapers about an 'accident'

[Ozcaine]

His occupation on his marriage certificate was Mariner, as was his fathe John cain's occupation

[Rosinish]

1881 a Fireman

He's on a ship named The Douglas.

When did he marry & can you name his children in order of birth?

Can you please provide dates with events as it helps to narrow things down when looking for info.

Can you be more specific in what you seek please as I've asked a few questions on events which would help furnish you with more info.

"A sailor, seaman, mariner, or seafarer is a person who works aboard a watercraft as part of its crew"

Annie

[Rosinish]

His occupation on his marriage certificate was Mariner, as was his fathe John cain's occupation

Have you found baptisms for John James & any siblings?

The info. on the 1871 census has his father John as a 'Farmer'.

Are you following the correct chap as there seems to be a couple of John Caine's around at the same time of similar age?

There's this John Cain (no 'e') who could be the father...

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7870918

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Annie

[Ozcaine]

Thank you Annie, I've looked at what you found in the archives. I may well be following the wrong John Cain(e) I think I was led astray by someone else's tree who seemed to have the right info. Will go back to square one.
Janice