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Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« on: Friday 25 March 22 23:17 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to find any information on my ancestors before they moved to Scotland. I will post everything I know. All of the census information from 1861 onwards shows under born is "Ireland".

According to the 1871 Census, my gg grandfather James Davidson was born in Ireland in 1853, parents Moses Davidson (1853 - 1884) and Helen McBride (1826 - 1878).

Father - Moses Davidson born Ireland 1823
Mother - Helen McBride born Ireland 1826
James Davidson born Ireland 1853
Janet Davidson born Ireland 1857
Eliza Davidson born Lanarkshire 1867
Robert Davidson born Lanarkshire 1871

The 1861 census places them in Scotland so they have moved between 1857 (Janet's birth) and 1861.

I have found a marriage of "Ellen McBride and Moses Davison" in Ballymena in 1951 which could be them but I have no way of confirming this.

Grateful for any information at all.

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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 March 22 04:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I would say the Ballymena marriage stands a more than extremely good chance of being your couple. Your couple's names individually are by no means unique, but I would be more inclined to think the combination - as a married couple -  would warrant a very good look at the marrying pair.

Ellen/Helen interchange is common (and I see happens in your couple - she is "Ellen" on son Robert's baptism, and" Helen" on daughter Eliza's).  And of course, Davison/Davidson are also interchangeable.

This is the Ballymena marriage - the image quality is poor overall:

Registered, District of Ballymena.
Marriage solemnized at Broughshane, Parish of Racavan, County Antrim
Married 1 Feb 1851 after Banns
Moses Davison, Bachelor, Full age, Weaver, of Coreen, father: ?James Davison, Farmer?
Ellen McBride, Spinster, Full age, of Coreen, father: James McBride, Gardner?
Witness: James Irvine, John Petticrew
The couple both signed with their X Mark

Coreen is a Townland in Broughshane There is a James McBride in Coreen, Tithe Applotments 1825.

Have you got a better image of the 1851 marriage? I think his father is James, or is it John? Hers is certainly James.

1) Helen/Ellen died 1878. Registered on SP in Shotts, Helen McBride or Davidson, aged 52. mms Stewart. Looking for her father's name on the death record?
2) Moses remarried in 1880 to Charlotte Murphy.   They are on the 1881 Census, with his son Robert by Hellen/Ellen  and Charlotte's children by her prior marriage. Who is Moses' father on that marriage?
3) Moses died in a mining accident in 1884. Who is his father on that Death record?

Charlotte

Cheers
AMBLY




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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 March 22 07:44 GMT (UK) »

Just to add to what AMBLY has given-

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Coreen is a Townland in Broughshane

Correen townland in Skerry civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/skerry/broughshane/correen/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4262335#map=12/54.8849/-6.2354


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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 March 22 09:22 GMT (UK) »
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Eliza Davidson born Lanarkshire 1867
Robert Davidson born Lanarkshire 1871

The Scottish birth certificates should include date and place of parents' marriage which would make it easy to confirm or rule out the Broughshane marriage posted above*.

* I think occupation for groom's father is farmer not 'gardner' as suggested earlier.
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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 March 22 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all your suggestions. I've gone onto SP and located the relevant records.

Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 26 March 22 09:22 GMT (UK)
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Eliza Davidson born Lanarkshire 1867
Robert Davidson born Lanarkshire 1871

The Scottish birth certificates should include date and place of parents' marriage which would make it easy to confirm or rule out the Broughshane marriage posted above*.

* I think occupation for groom's father is farmer not 'gardner' as suggested earlier.

Robert Davidson's birth in Shotts 1870 (not 1871 as I mentioned originally) confirms the Broughshane place of marriage for parents Moses and Helen/Ellen in 1851. I have attached the SP record.

Quote from: AMBLY on Saturday 26 March 22 04:22 GMT (UK)
I would say the Ballymena marriage stands a more than extremely good chance of being your couple. Your couple's names individually are by no means unique, but I would be more inclined to think the combination - as a married couple -  would warrant a very good look at the marrying pair.

I was thinking the same thing, the combination of names as the married couple and the year of marriage makes it very likely it is the couple I'm looking for.

Quote from: AMBLY on Saturday 26 March 22 04:22 GMT (UK)

Have you got a better image of the 1851 marriage? I think his father is James, or is it John? Hers is certainly James.

1) Helen/Ellen died 1878. Registered on SP in Shotts, Helen McBride or Davidson, aged 52. mms Stewart. Looking for her father's name on the death record?
2) Moses remarried in 1880 to Charlotte Murphy.   They are on the 1881 Census, with his son Robert by Hellen/Ellen  and Charlotte's children by her prior marriage. Who is Moses' father on that marriage?
3) Moses died in a mining accident in 1884. Who is his father on that Death record?

The image that you shared for the marriage is the same one that I found (poor quality), and the name James ties in with the fathers name on the death record of Helen in 1878.

1 - Looks like James McBride and Janet Stewart named as parents.
2 - Moses' father on the marriage is James Davidson and mother Ann Irvine

Regards,
Gary

 

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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:15 GMT (UK) »
Possibly death for Moses' father? (a few more possibilities in 1860s but certificates not yet online)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020637/7240257.pdf

The earliest Valuation Revision Book (1864-1878) for Correen doesn't show any Davidson/Davison entry but there are a few McBride household there. Possibly Moses was just living there at the time of his marriage.
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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:47 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 March 22 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Wow - leaps and bounds, fantastic!  ;D

Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 26 March 22 09:22 GMT (UK)
The Scottish birth certificates should include date and place of parents' marriage which would make it easy to confirm or rule out the Broughshane marriage posted above*.
Ahh yes! aghadowey! I should have remembered this!

Hi Gary,
This 2013 Rootschat is about the McBrides of Corfeen/Broughshane
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=670199.0

Based on Moses' parents stated as both deceased by time he remarried in 1880 and aghadowey's very good looking possible death of 87 yr old widower James Davison in Broughshane 1874 - this could be Moses' mother:

Nancy Davison, age 84, registered Ballymena 1870
Unfortunately, there is no online image for this one.

Cheers
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Re: Looking for information on Moses and James Davidson
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 March 22 10:03 BST (UK) »
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Nancy Davison, age 84, registered Ballymena 1870
Unfortunately, there is no online image for this one.

Using GRONI database narrows down the sub-district to Ahoghill rather than Broughshane.
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