Pennsylvania Thomas Henry John Emigrated circa 1902

[carolmc]

Hi Thomas Henry John emigrated to Pennsylvania to look for coalmining work in 1902/3. He left behind his wife Martha Frances Fairhurst and 2 children. I am unable to trace him in the USA or maybe he didn't go, but just dissappeared. Sorry I don't know his birth and there are 100's of possible Thomas's in the records. Believe he had a sister known as '****** aunt Maggy'. They lived in Atherton Lancashire UK around 1900, can't find them in 1901 or 1911 in the uk. I know its a long shot, but has anyone any ideas please?  regards carolmc

[oldohiohome]

freebmd.org
married Sept Quarter of 1900 in Leigh, Lancashire
Vol 8c Page 452
Martha Frances Fairhurst
Thomas Henry John

You probably should send for the marriage record. It would tell you Thomas'  father's name and I think his age - unless the English ones just say "of full age" like most of the Irish ones.

Then see if you can find his birth or at least find him with his parents on a census. Then you'd have something to narrow him down in the US.

If he died in the US and the state records are online, most of them are supposed to include parents' names by the time Thomas would have died. Of course if no one in the US knew him well, the parents' names might be left blank.

Did she remarry Mar Qtr 1919 in Leigh to Thomas Bowker?
Vol 8c Page 361
Ask "Why? Did she know by then she was a widow?"

From what I see, Martha was born about 1880 in Leigh, but that doesn't help much with Thomas' age.

[RJ137]

I think this could be him. He works in a coal mine. He is married. The Francis(sp) listed is female and married, and the right age and POB to be the Martha Frances Fairhurst noted in the birth record. They are living with his mother and his siblings.

1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VC-CM3

This would be him with his family in the 1891 census. Middle name confirmed as Henry.

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMRS-QN2

Martha's Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XNR-GNY

Martha with her family in 1891.

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:74WY-PMM

[RJ137]

I think this could be him. He works in a coal mine. He is married. The Francis(sp) listed is female and married, and the right age and POB to be the Martha Frances Fairhurst noted in the birth record. They are living with his mother and his siblings.

1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VC-CM3

This would be him with his family in the 1891 census. Middle name confirmed as Henry.

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMRS-QN2

Martha's Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XNR-GNY

Martha with her family in 1891.

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:74WY-PMM

Just some follow up.

That definitely appears to be them in that 1901 census. Here is the daughter Gladys in the 1911 census with her mother Martha Francis and  a sister Nellie, they are living with Martha's mother and her siblings. It ties everything together.

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWY2-BFN

[RJ137]

This could be him immigrating in July 1903 via Canada. Age is about right and he is a miner. His destination is Pennsylvania. He does say he single?

Nanticoke, PA is in Luzerne County, which was a big coal mining area.

**Border Crossing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK31-RXG2

Maybe the passenger ship record leaving might help narrow things down whether this is him or not?

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EDIT- border crossing link corrected

[oldohiohome]

Thomas John's family 1881

1881 Census Llantrisant, Glamorgan
George John, 27, coal miner, b Canton Glamorgan
Mary Ann John, 25, b Marychurch, Glamorgan
Margaret A John 6, b Ystrad, Glamorgan
Sarah E, 4, b Ystrad, Glamorgan
Emily M, 2, b Ystrad, Glamorgan

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-WPG5

[oldohiohome]

This could be him immigrating in July 1903 via Canada. Age is about right and he is a miner. His destination is Pennsylvania. He does say he single?

Nanticoke, PA is in Luzerne County, which was a big coal mining area.

Border Crossing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK3Y-9PWF

Maybe the passenger ship record leaving might help narrow things down whether this is him or not?

That link goes to a man headed for Youngstown, Ohio. Could you post the one for the man headed for Pennsylvania? I haven't found it yet. Thanks

[oldohiohome]

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results

JOHN, MARGARET  ANN      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 399

JOHN, SARAH  ELIZABETH      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 427

JOHN, EMILY  MATILDA      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 399

JOHN, THOMAS  HENRY      JONES     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 361

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So we have an approximate birth date for Thomas Henry John of Jan to Mar 1882, son of George Henry and Mary Ann Jones. - I think.

[RJ137]

This could be him immigrating in July 1903 via Canada. Age is about right and he is a miner. His destination is Pennsylvania. He does say he single?

Nanticoke, PA is in Luzerne County, which was a big coal mining area.

Border Crossing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK3Y-9PWF

Maybe the passenger ship record leaving might help narrow things down whether this is him or not?

That link goes to a man headed for Youngstown, Ohio. Could you post the one for the man headed for Pennsylvania? I haven't found it yet. Thanks

Thanks, Link above corrected

Border Crossing: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK31-RXG2