Edward Conlon -weaver of Tullylish-circa 1845-seeking info please

[Alan of Kaslo]

Greetings.

Thanks in advance for any help looking into this.

I have been stuck for awhile trying to figure out anything about my great grandfather Edward Conlon. I know through documents that he was a weaver and that he had children in the early 1840's in Tullylish.

I never could find his wife's name or his parents. I have written to several dna relatives and their Conlon family trees all end in Edward Conlon no wife listed, no parents.

Edward's son (my grandfather) Arthur was born 1841. Arthur also had a brother named Bernard.

Arthur Conlon married Sarah Burns Christmas day 1877. Document here:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11146/8082672.pdf

Fathers: Edward Conlon -weaver and Hugh Burns -weaver

That's pretty much all the info I have seen anywhere about Edward Conlon. He and Hugh Burns were both weavers. I have been unable to find spouses for either of these men.

I could not find a death cert for Edward Conlon that fits. Here is the death cert for Hugh Burns  (I would gladly take any info on him as well!).

Hugh Burns died in 1877 at age 80. His death cert below states his wife was still alive, possibly the Margaret Burns who is the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020550/7211402.pdf

Arthur Conlon himself died in 1919 at age 78 so was born 1841:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05146/4418049.pdf

Also, here is the death of Arthur Conlon's brother Bernard in 1900 age 60 at Coose:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05774/4632201.pdf

There are other Bernard Conlons ... one died in 1908 at age 88 with a nephew Arthur as informant. The older one was also a farmer , farming at Shaneglish who died 1880 age 78 so born 1802.

Death cert for the latter Bernard above:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06480/4864420.pdf

I was thinking either of those Bernards could be possibly be brother to Edward Conlon.

There was one Edward Conlen who died in Armagh in 1873 at age 62 which would make him born 1811-ish... but the death is in Tullymore not Banbridge and the Edward is listed as a pensioner with no mention of weaving.

Death of above Edward Conlen:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020690/7259530.pdf


I did spend hours attempting to look through the Tullylish parish records microfilm for births , marriages, deaths that might hold a clue. I saw several Hugh Burn/Byrnes but no Edward Conlan. It's very possible that Edward married/had kids outside of Tullylish and then moved there later. Of course he could be from a lot of places ...I'm currently checking Tandragee.

I was wondering if anyone was related to these Conlon / Burns families...or if anyone had any info to share regarding them. I have many of the documents leading up to Edward Conlon and Hugh Burns but nothing after Arthur, just the fathers names.

Please feel free to chime in. Any comments appreciated.

[Kiltaglassan]

Arthur Conlon married Sarah Burns Christmas day 1877. Document here:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11146/8082672.pdf

Fathers: Edward Conlon -weaver and Hugh Burns -weaver

Sarah Burns living in the townland of Bleary, Arthur living in the townland of Tullyrain, both in Co Down.

https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/tullylish/tullylish/bleary/
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-upper-half/tullylish/magherally/tullyrain/

OpenStreetMap
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4771081#map=13/54.4023/-6.3104

[heywood]

There is an Arthur Conlen b 17 May 1836 with parents Edward and Rose here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633252#page/25/mode/1up

[heywood]

Is this the birth of daughter Rose to Arthur?
Mother is ‘Sally McBrinn’ but the townland is Tullyrain so it fits.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2074968.pdf

Added - Rose’s death - aged 6 yrs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06272/4796717.pdf

I am posting these re the possible significance of the name ‘Rose’.

[eileenwilson]

Also baptism of an Edward Conlon to Edward Conlon & Mrs. Conlon; sponsors are Patt McCarton and Margaret McCarton (same surname as sponsors for Arthur) on June 1, 1833 in Tullylish.

[heywood]

Also baptism of an Edward Conlon to Edward Conlon & Mrs. Conlon; sponsors are Patt McCarton and Margaret McCarton (same surname as sponsors for Arthur) on June 1, 1833 in Tullylish.

And Rose (mother) is McCarton 

[eileenwilson]

In the 1911 census, Arthur is 74, so born about 1837:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Tullylish/Laurencetown_Town/213524/

and 60 in 1901, so birth year was fluid and could easily have been the baptism that Heywood found:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Laurencetown/1204775/

[Elwyn Soutter]

In Ireland there was a bit of a surge in ages between the 1901 & 1911 censuses.

The Old Age pension had come in in 1909 and to qualify you had to be 70 or older. Proof of age was required and for those without a birth or baptism certificate, another acceptable method was to use the 1851, and sometimes the 1841 censuses to see what age the applicant had been then.  By 1911, folk knew that the censuses were being used to establish age and so anyone near pension age might be tempted to add a few years on thinking it might help. Arthur evidently did. So the 1901 age might be more reliable than the 1911, if you follow.

[heywood]

How do you know about Bernard being a brother as you are unsure of his death?