Catherine Arthur

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The marriage bonds are often before the marriage, although they can be on the day. For instance, Robert Arthur married on 8th November 1771 but the bond was on 6th.

There is a will for Robert Arthur, of Dalar, Llanddwywe, in 1820. He named his children as Rees (surname Jones), Jane the wife of Robert Roberts, Dorothy, Mary the wife of William Lewis, and Catherine the wife of Richard Owen. I can't find all of the baptisms but Jane married as Jane Robert on 7th May 1803, bond on 3rd May, and Catherine as Catherine Robert on 16th March 1804 with the bond on the same date, but both surnames as Roberts.

Robert Arthur was a witness at Jane's wedding. On his burial, his year of birth was 1747, which matches the baptism as Robert Jones.

David

P.S. I can't find a Mary marrying a William Lewis, but there is a Mary Arthur who married a Lewis Lewis on 19th April 1805, with a bond dated 12th April. Lewis was a widowed mariner, and they had 6 children.

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I assume that the Robert ARTHUR who married in 1771 was Catherine's brother; yes?

George

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I think the answer to my previous question is, indeed, 'yes'

27 Mar 1742   Catherine  to  William & Elin  in Dolgellau

08 May 1745   Robert          do          do          do

So, is this 'my' Catherine?

George

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I think Catherine was Catherine Jones, baptised on 20 May 1753 daughter of Arthur and Catherine, of Llwyndu, in Llanaber. The marriage bonds can sometimes be helpful, if they have more details on their abodes or have signatures of family members.

Interesting that the will of Arthur Jones in, 1784, was witnessed by Rice Arthur of Bwlch-coch.
There are three of them: Bwlch-coch Uchaf, Cannol and Isaf (upper, middle and lower).
One of my relatives owned Cannol and passed it down to his son on his will of 1780. Unfortunately, it doesn't mention which one was associated with Rice Arthur.

Bwlch-coch Uchaf can be found on an Ordnance Survey map using BingMaps if you zoom in on Uwch Mynydd: https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=52.746212%7E-3.979131&lvl=13.0&style=s
Cannol was to the south west of it, but I can't see Isaf. I think it was derelict for a time because there are images of it, including: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/ll42/caerdeon.html
And: https://www.onthemarket.com/details/8000549/#/photos/1

David

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So, Catherine JONES changed her name to Catherine ARTHUR. Is that correct?

Certainly, location (Llanaber) and date (1753) fit perfectly, unlike my Dolgellau option, which is too far away and too early.

George

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The use of patronimcs can be confusing. Catherine was baptised to Arthur Jones but, when she married, she used her father's first name as her surname. I have a Humphrey Owen who had as son named Owen, and he married as Owen Humphrey.

Similarly, two of Robert Arthur's daughters married with the surname of Robert.

I have found the first marriage of Rice Arthur which, for some reason, isn't indexed. It was on 11th February 1775, two days after the bond, in Llanfair-juxta-Harlech. They had two children: Elizabeth baptised on 25th February 1777, and Arthur John on 10th December 1780 in Llanaber.

Margaret Arthur, wife of Rees, was buried in Llanaber on 22nd October 1798. Rees then married Eleanor Pugh in 1800 and they had a son, Rees, baptised on 19th December 1800.

Possible burial for Rees (as Rhys Arthur) in Trawsfynydd on 25 Dec 1829, age 78.

David

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David,

Thanks for all that. I've had experience of patronymics before, and always liked to double-check the position. Here, I believe that you've nailed it, and I'm happy to go with Catherine ARTHUR of the 1776 marriage having been baptized as Catherine JONES, daughter of Arthur JONES. I'll see where that leads me.

Thank you for all your hard work,  and also thanks to all the contributors to this thread.

Unless anyone wants to add more information, I shall probably declare it finished shortly.

George

George

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David,

Just an observation: the PR entry merely states

20 May 1753  Catherine - dr of Arthur JONES & Catherine

I guess that the transcriber assumed that she was known as Catherine JONES, and noted it accordingly. However, in accordance with patronymic practices, she might always have been known as Catherine ARTHUR, and there was therefore no change of surname when she married in 1776.

George

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I think that is correct, as it was with her siblings.

David