Divorced but buried together?? Alfred Wright

[LizzieL]

There is this entry in 1911 which, if not our couple, is most coincidental.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-D6R

Alfred, though, is not married at that time.

Apart from Alfred's marital status, everything else fits. Was there the option to write divorced in 1911?
Instructions say S, M or W. If he was not widowed or still married, writing single is his only option,

We know from 1921 census how many years he had been married, we know the number of children in total from that marriage, we know the age in 1921 of the youngest two who were still dependent (under 16). We think he might have been divorced by 1911, unless he and his wife were separated and he didn't want his landlady to know.

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And his birthplace in 1911 is given as Walsden, Lancs abt 20 miles from Manchester

[heywood]

I can agree Lizzie but we can’t find ‘youngest two’ with that one - only Constance.
Perhaps if they have no name, as stated, they don’t show up?
Did you declare children who were not present in the home in 1921?

[LizzieL]

I can agree Lizzie but we can’t find ‘youngest two’ with that one - only Constance.
Perhaps if they have no name, as stated, they don’t show up?
Did you declare children who were not present in the home in 1921?

All under 16's were recorded whether they were included on the schedule or not. Alfred has added a footnote to his schedule mentioning how many children he had in total.

[heywood]

Ah thanks.

Do you have his occupation?

[Ladyhawk]

There is this entry in 1911 which, if not our couple, is most coincidental.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-D6R

Alfred, though, is not married at that time.

No that this helps with Alfred

Do you think Annie Pearson might be the illeg. daughter of Martha who married Benjamin Pearson

Annie Garside
Baptism    24 Dec 1876 Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire
Mother   Martha Garside

1881 census Piece:   3986 Folio:   36 Page Number:   14
Benjamin J. Pearson   31
Martha Pearson   26
Annie Pearson   5 Manchester

Marriage 28 Mar 1881 Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire
Martha Garside age 26 father Thomas
Spouse   Benjamin Pearson

Annie Pearson is with the family in 1901 age 25 Manchester her occ gentleman’s hat trimmer but she’s not with them 1911

EDIT to add it looks as if Mary Alice PEARSON was Benjamin's sister

Mary Alice Pearson age 64 abode 54 Ostrich Lane Prestwich
Burial  17 Feb 1912 Cheetham, St Luke

Mary Alice Pearson, spinster probate 22 Feb 1912 to Benjamin Pearson engineer
   
Mary Alice Pearson Birth    23 Apr 1846
Baptism 31 Jul 1859 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father Benjamin Pearson, Mechanic Mother Mary abode Manchester
Also baptised on the same day
Benjamin born 11th July 1850
Thomas born 3rd July 1852

[celtickids]

Hi everyone. Thanks for all the responses. I'm kicking myself now for not having got a printout of the 1921 census info at the time  - a history volunteer was helping me look at records (I don't even know which site. Beginner's mistake, I now know to note sources!) and I wrote info down. It was an image not a transcript. Yes, I got to "49 year Alfred" through looking for Pearson/Wright on the site. The two children, 12 and 13, were just crosses in a row of ages for dependent children. Constance was listed separately as 8 years old. I recall that it said "both parents still alive" somewhere on the form. I remember asking about this because it seemed obvious that Constance's parents, if they were indeed Alfred and Annie, were both still alive. The volunteer explained this was normal - the following from ukcensusonline confirms "For those under 15 the census recorded whether both parents were alive or if either or both parents had died."
Alfred was 49 and divorced. Didn't note occupation (kicking myself again!!). Annie was showing as Annie Wright, otherwise Pearson, single, boarder, 45 years old. I had noted her occupation which is "own account". I was doubting if this was the correct Wright/Pearson as Annie was single on the census. Maybe Constance was their daughter and they just weren't married?  I did also wonder about adoption, especially as Annie would have been 37 at Constance's birth, but there again before the days of contraception... I have seen a potential birth certificate for Constance Milton. I say potential because I noted down 2 unusual aspects on it: the registration was July 1913 - ties in to September quarter GRO but birth was in April ie a late registration. Also the date on the bottom where the registrar signs off was 1927. Might be nothing but seemed strange.
In any case, I'm still interested in finding more on Alfred and Annie (and the two dependents).
LizzieL: may I ask what the interesting footnote is please?
Heywood: Are you able to put a pdf of the 1911 census extract please or a transcript? The link takes me to a homepage. Maybe a sign-up is required.
Thanks again everyone👍

[LizzieL]

1921 census is only available on FindMyPast. You can register and get some information on a free search, but not detailed transcription or image without a subscription.
1911 census is available on Ancestry and FindMyPast, with transcriptions on Family Search. You would need to register with Family Search to see the transcript but that is free. To see images on either Ancestry or FindMyPast requires a subscription
If you are in the UK, many local libraries have subs to both sites.

[heywood]

I have seen a potential birth certificate for Constance Milton. I say potential because I noted down 2 unusual aspects on it: the registration was July 1913 - ties in to September quarter GRO but birth was in April ie a late registration. Also the date on the bottom where the registrar signs off was 1927.

Was Alfred named as the father and if so, what was his occupation?
What was the context for this?
Do you have Constance in later years?
Which person is your interest?

[Millmoor]

There is an entry in the Probate Calendar for a Constance Milton Butters who died 8 Feb 1983 ( an admin not a will) Her date of birth is given as 15 April 1913.

There is a marriage of Constance M Wright and David Butters in Ashton under Lyne in 1936 ( elsewhere he appears to be William David Butters). They can be located in the 1939 register.

William