Ancestor from Ayrshire but where is Wintocks?

[loobylooayr]

Hi,

I found this on -  https://drmarkjardine.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/covenanters-captured-at-david-houstons-preaching-at-the-polbaith-burn-in-1687/ -
referring to Covenanters captured in 1687.

One of them was
John Mitchell, servant in ‘the Wintocks’, Loudoun parish.
On 21 January, John Mitchell was before Captain Thomas Douglas at Ayr:

‘John Mitchell, servant to Robert Miller in the Wintocks, Loudoune parish, he confesses he was at that conventicle on Sunday last the 16th of this instant which was keept at the Powbeath burne; he was advertised by John Broune [in Richardton, No. 32.] mentioned in [John] Nimmoes [No. 29.] declaratione about middday on Sunday; he declairs he meett with 40 Ewindaill men [i.e., from Evandale parish, Lanarkshire.], severalls of them hade guns, pistolls and suords. He says there wold have been 200 in all. He sawe many in armes bysydes the Ewindaill company. He daclairs there were severall children baptized, and these tuo persone proclaimed mentioned in the former declarations [i.e., James Wilsone and [—–] Gilchrist of Carluke parish. No. 35 & 36.]. He declairs the same with the former concerning the doctrine.’ (RPCS, XIII, 130.)

The Wintocks is probably now known as Intax

The above information is copied from the website.

The change from Wintocks to Intax makes sense to me.
I know where Intax Cottage is - it sits on the hillside above Darvel near Foulpapple Farm  The cottage still exists, I think, but has had a name change. Or at least there is a cottage called Intax, most likely built in 18th/19th century perhaps on area of earlier cottage/farm.
 Off hand I can't think what the new name for Intax is.

Looby


 
 

[maddys52]

That's really interesting Looby.

There are a few references in newspapers to a farm "New Intax" in Loudoun in the 1800s. in one described as "the property of the Marquis of Bute"
Monday,  May 10, 1869
Publication: Glasgow Herald

[maddys52]

I wonder if this is it on this 1860 map "Newintakes"
https://maps.nls.uk/view/228776590#zoom=6&lat=5496&lon=2114&layers=BT

Modified to add:
Yes, shown as "New Intax" on this side by side view
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16.7&lat=55.63037&lon=-4.37115&layers=6&right=osm

[loobylooayr]

That is interesting Maddy.

It is not the location of the Intax I was referring to, which is outside Darvel and Newmilns and in the Parish of Loudoun.

But it would seem likely that your discovery of Newintax/Newintakes is the location referred to in here- John Mitchell, servant to Robert Miller in the Wintocks, Loudoune parish due to its proximity to the Polbaith Burn where the Covenanters were captured.  This New Intax farm sits north of Galston and close to Moscow (not the Russian one  ) .

It is very possible this could be Andrew Young's Wintocks.
The more recent map seems to indicate the farm is still there.

So there appears to be two Intax in Loudoun Parish - but to be honest I'd opt for your find Maddy.
Looby

[Forfarian]

Are you sure there are two different ones?

The one on that old map is at National Grid Reference NS508398, which is in the parish of Loudoun. It is 3 kilometres almost due north of Galston, which is in the parish of Galston, 2 kilometres almost due east from Moscow, which is in the parish of Kilmarnock, and only 500 metres from the Polbaith Burn which is the boundary between the parishes of Loudoun and Kilmarnock. It is 3.5 kilometres north-west of Newmilns, and rather further from Darvel, both of which are in the parish of Loudon.

So it looks to me as if there is just one New Intakes or New Intax.

[loobylooayr]

Hi.

There is an Intax Cottage on the Foulpapple Road heading towards High and Low Carlingcraig Farms above Darvel. This would also be in Parish of Loudoun.
The cottage sits at a junction where the road known locally as the Cronin meets Foulpapple Road. Confusingly it has been referred to online in Daily Record newspaper article as New Intax Farm.

The cottage has outbuildings and possibly an old stable?

According to the map Maddy shared, New Intax Farm sits North of Loudoun Castle....although I know the area I'm struggling to picture this Farm. However its proximity to Polbaith Burn makes it very likely to be the 'Wintocks' referred to in the Jardine Martyrs quote.
Whether it is the same Wintocks where Andrew Young was connected to, I can't say for sure.

So far I've not found Intax Cottage Darvel on an old map ( but to be honest didn't have a lot of time before bed last night to look)  - however I would reckon the cottage was built in 19th century. It could've be built on the location of an early Farm or dwelling.....just not found a reference to that yet. And as I'm busy today I won't be able to check.

For the OP Bev - if required I would be happy to take some photos to send you you of the area once the location of Wintocks is established .

Looby 

[Forfarian]

Ah, yes, I see it. KA17 0NQ according to the post code directory. National Grid reference NS559388. See screenshot.

It's hidden by the trees on the left in this view https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/113177.

It wasn't there when the First Edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch map was surveyed in 1858.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.6&lat=55.62146&lon=-4.29183&layers=5&b=1&marker=55.62094,-4.28906

In the Second Edition, surveyed 1895, it is shown and named as Foulpapple Cottage.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.6&lat=55.62189&lon=-4.28938&layers=6&b=1&marker=55.62094,-4.28906

So I don't think it can be in contention to be the Wintocks referred to in the letters in the 1830s and 1840s.

[Forfarian]

I see from the Valuation Rolls that the proprietor of most of Loudoun, including New Intax Farm, in 1875 was Charles Frederick Clifton Abney-Hastings. He had married Edith Maud Rawdon-Hastings, 10th Countess of Loudoun, in 1853. Edith's grandmother was Flora Campbell, 6th Countess of Loudoun.

According to the catalogue of the National Register of Archives for Scotland, the archives of the Rawden-Hastings and Campbell Family, Earls of Loudoun, are in the Burns Monument Centre in Kilmarnock https://eastayrshireleisure.com/culture/burns-monument-centre/

These may contain information about estate houses and tenants, and might confirm the exact location of the Wintocks and whether or not it is now (New) Intax.

[AlanBoyd]

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