Newbie help please - have hit a brick wall

[scotmum]

In 1912 there was a Daniel Cowin m a Fanny Knight in Hereford district. Unlikely to be the couple in question, given different forename for the male and different area, but stranger things have happened.

They look to have had a daughter Agnes born then died in 1914.

There is also this Cowin/Knight birth:

Cowin    Mary    Knight    Croydon    2a   438 in 1915

and she seems to be in Prescot, Lancashire by 1921, but no one else of Cowin surname in area.

[AMBLY]

hmmm.. how about COWINS - the pesky 's' again?

Henry COWINS b 4 Jun 1897 Gateshead, Northumberland. Died 1985 Birkenhead.
Married 1936 Wallasey, Cheshire: to Edith Annie Wilson
Three yrs later described as Engineer Fitter Tobacco Factory
Mary E Wilson b 27 Dec 1859 also in house

Served in the RAF
First enlisted Army 23/2/14 age 17
Joined the RAF 1/8/18
Engineer at Dunlop Bell & Co, Greenland ST.
NOK: Aunt: Mrs Haseltine, of 52 Chandoo St, Gateshead in Tyne
Discharge: 5 Apr 1919 to 9 Granby St, Liverpool

He was the son of Henry Cowins , wife Alice Wilson, who married Mar Qtr 1897 Gateshead
I think his father died 1903, and in the Census following, he's age 13 and with his Wilson grandparents (William & Isabella) in Penrith Cumberland.

More food for thought!!

Cheers
AMBLY

[LizzieL]

NB When Frances married another man (who my grandmother believed to be her father) she gave her previous surnames as "Cowin or Knights".

Is this from GRO index?
A distant relative of mine by marriage, married  in the first half of the 20th century. His wife had been married twice before.
The marriage is indexed as "John Smith" then surname of the wife as "Smith" or Brown". They had been living together prior to marriage and she was known by his surname. "Brown" was her second husbands surname. No mention on the index of her maiden surname or her first husband's surname.
I can't see it mentioned as to whether OP has a copy of the actual marriage cert to check Fanny's father's surname - she might have been previously married to a Mr Knight(s)

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Sorry to ask but it would help if we knew Frances's father's name from her marriage in 1922.
Her address also would help so we could check who she was living with on the 1921 census.
It's just we don't  know where she was born.And if we knew that ,perhaps we could look for any Henry Cowans in the area or get more info from her family etc.
After the relationship with Henry broke down ,what more natural than visiting her family?
She would have had to pay for Barbara to live at the Dolphin Hotel ,where did she get the money?
There is an Louisa Knight age 6 from Salisbury Hants also there. A sister for Barbara ,a cousin ?

1911 census has a Frances Knight drapers assistant from Salisbury Hants  no 11 Fitzroy St age 22 .
Is that her?
It seems strange they should both mistake Salisbury as being in Hampshire.

Ciderdrinker

[LizzieL]

1911 census has a Frances Knight drapers assistant from Salisbury Hants  no 11 Fitzroy St age 22 .
Is that her?
It seems strange they should both mistake Salisbury as being in Hampshire.

Ciderdrinker

There's a Frances Daisy Knight birth reg Stockbridge Q4 1889, mmn Weeks. In Hants but not far from Salisbury.
It could have been a case of her giving the name of a very small village in Hampshire as her place of birth. She might have said near Salisbury (even though it was a different county), and that's what was written down, together with Hampshire.

[LizzieL]

Forget Frances Daisy, she married Nelson John Sly in 1917.

[scotmum]

Confused. There has been mention of Barbara at the Dolphin Hotel in Herne Bay in 1921, yet an earlier post on thread mentions Barbara at a children's home in Herne Bay in 1921. There does seem to be a hotel of that name in Herne Bay at time. So, which is correct?

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Yes it's my fault.
the 1921 census doesn't have the address on the same page and I went over to the entry before the Dolphin Hotel which must have been next door.
she was at 1 Marine Crescent looked after by Annie Talbot 55 from Twickenham single and running a Childrens Home.

Sorry my fault.

Ciderdrinker

[scotmum]

Thanks for clarifying. There is mention in a 1922 newspaper, of a Children's Holiday Home in Herne Bay, no address, to which 'necessitous children' could be sent for a stay. I wonder if it might have been this, albeit perhaps not as Barbara would only have been a toddler at time.