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Help with record card
« on: Saturday 12 August 23 20:51 BST (UK) »
Hi. Hoping someone can help me decipher my grandfathers record card. I think it means he has been in military prison and perhaps been a bit of a drinker. Any idea how I would be able to look into this further to find out what actually happened?

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Re: Help with record card
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:30 BST (UK) »
You need to give his name, number & Regt.
What type of record do you have?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help with record card
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:57 BST (UK) »
Hi sorry it won't let me upload this document which I thought was his war record but perhaps wasn't as the file is too large. His name was David Hook and the reference in the national archive is BT 377/7/93421. He was born in Glasgow in 1894 and I don't think he has a regiment as I'm thinking he was in the merchant navy. I've just started looking into family history but think the record mentions 3 mil prison and lots of times when he has been absent when he shouldn't have been . Thanks for looking into this ...I'm a total.novice .

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:27 BST (UK) »
David Hook was indeed in the Merchant Navy, Find My Past shows that his medal card is held by the National Archives under the archive reference BT 351/1/64682 (Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Index of First World War Mercantile Marine Medals and the British War Medal)

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for that . Kind regards Jackie .

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:37 BST (UK) »
The reference that you quoted ( BT 377/7/93421) is his service record whilst in the merchant navy, it shows that he enrolled on the 21st May 1915 and that he left on the 28th April 1919. In the remarks column are a number of entries recording that he was absent (from duty) and as a consequence his pay was stopped for a varying number of days. He also had a couple of occasions where he was drunk and again he forfeited pay.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much . On the first page it seems to say he went to military prison 3 mil prison ? I could well be reàding it wrong and wás sentenced.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:49 BST (UK) »
One of the entries in the remarks column shows 8.11.16 Drunk and Disorderly etc --- he appeared in court when in Portsmouth (reported in The Evening News, Monday, November 6, 1916)

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:57 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jaqualine on Sunday 13 August 23 17:42 BST (UK)
Thanks so much . On the first page it seems to say he went to military prison 3 mil prison ? I could well be reàding it wrong and wás sentenced.

Yes in the remarks column on page 1 it reads:

No 3 Mil(itary) Prison, Havre (Le Havre, France), 8.10.18, Sentence 7 days, I.H.L. awarded 8.10.18

I don't know what the 'I' stands for but 'H.L.' stands for Hard Labour (see snippet image from his service record attached). The snippet also shows that he served another 7 days with Hard Labour in February 1919.
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