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identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« on: Wednesday 23 August 23 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hello all,

I am researching my 2x ggf in the world Wars. Here is a picture of his badges etc. from both WW1 and WW2. I have looked on Google Lens but there is only so much it can do... I know that in WW1, he was in the King's Shropshire Light Infantry, then transferred to South Lancs (dates are being confirmed in another topic, thanks everyone :) ). As for WW2, I have absolutely no info or leads about him so far... Some of the badges could be his son's who also served in WW2 (I don't have anything about him yet either, unfortunately).
Could anyone help identify these ?

Thank you for your time,
SapereAude
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 11:20 BST (UK) »
The Fleur de Lis cap badge is Manchester Regt.
The bugle is his KSLI cap badge & the last one his I.D. tag.
Fight the Good Fight badge is Church Lads Brigade.
The horse is Yorks. Regt.
The death's head is Lancers.
The last Fleur de Lis is 3rd. Carabiniers.
The closest I can get to the oak leaf is Beds. & Herts. Regt.
There seems to be a mix of WW1 & WW2.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 11:30 BST (UK) »
The Fleur de Lis cap badge is Manchester Regt.
The bugle is his KSLI cap badge & the last one his I.D. tag.
Fight the Good Fight badge is Church Lads Brigade.
The horse is Yorks. Regt.
The death's head is Lancers.
The last Fleur de Lis is 3rd. Carabiniers.
The closest I can get to the oak leaf is Beds. & Herts. Regt.
There seems to be a mix of WW1 & WW2.
Fantastic, again thank you so much!
 
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I would say the KSLI is his Dad's & the others his
as some are definitely WW2.
(the above quote is from another topic, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=875833.msg7476889#new )

Do you think the WW2 ones are two people's or one (as Thomas also served in WW2)?
(I understand if it isn't possible to say)
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 11:36 BST (UK) »
Who did they serve with in WW2?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 11:48 BST (UK) »
Who did they serve with in WW2?
I don't know, unfortunately, I don't have anything about them in WW2 except these badges yet
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 12:04 BST (UK) »
Just for completeness I've copied this posting from the other thread:
Given that the badges which aren't directly linked to KSLI have a Royal Armoured Corps or cavalry feel about them, can I offer two alternatives to Jim's suggestions:
The horse could also be the Northamptonshire Yeomanry (The South Notts Hussars)
which then links to Jim's first suggestion about the acorn (signifying the regiment's connection with Nottingham Forest) having similiarities to the South Notts Hussars badge.

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 August 23 10:30 BST (UK) »
The item at the bottom, the disc with the two holes is an identity disc that was worn around the neck, I think.  My Dad, from NZ WW2, had two discs on a fairly substantial thread. They called them 'dog tags'. 

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 August 23 10:40 BST (UK) »
Just to possibly be a bit confusing where there is a collection of WW1 badegs is this....My uncle who ran away to Australia to join the AIF at age 151/2 at in 1914 (by putting his age up) had a collection of badges of all types, including the ones from under the epaulettes etc.  As I gazed at these i asked my dad would these have been Uncle P's badges?   

'No' my dad said 'he would have collected them for swaps'.  Swaps for one he did not have or some times for cigareetes from other collectors. 

My uncle was wounded twice and then fatally in April 1918.

So where there is a collection of badges, the hobby of swaps might be the reason. 

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Re: identification of WW1 and WW2 badges
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 August 23 11:23 BST (UK) »
I know at least two and the nameplate, or dog tag as you say they were called, to his name, were from the regiments my 2x ggf served in in WW1, so fairly sure they were his.
shanreagh, I was thinking that they couldn't all be from family as there is a mix of an awful lot of different regiments etc., especially if, I don't know if I have said this in this topic, but my 2x ggf (whose these are supposed to have belonged to) had a son, who was also in WW2, but I think he was some kind of cook in the Army, so I don't know if he would have had badges and the like.
(as I assume men were still swapping badges in WW2)
I hope I have explained clearly, not sure I have, and thank you  :)
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)