Author Topic: Marriage certificate  (Read 752 times)

Offline cavor3

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 20
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Marriage certificate
« on: Monday 06 November 23 03:24 GMT (UK) »
Do the fathers of the married couple have to be alive when they are recorded on the certificate

Offline maddys52

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,370
  • Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 November 23 04:38 GMT (UK) »
There are quite a few threads on RootsChat about this. I'm assuming you are asking about the UK? My understanding is that the father does not have to alive to be recorded. Sometimes it will say "deceased", but it depends whether the question was asked or whether the couple stated it to the Registrar (or Priest etc, whoever was filling in the form).

Offline cavor3

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 20
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 November 23 07:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Maddy

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,513
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 November 23 16:53 GMT (UK) »
No, usually the fathers name will be recorded whether he was alive or not, and often it will say "Deceased" in brackets but in the earlier years this tended to be rare. In 1845 my ancestor's brother married and listed his father's name and occupation, and it did not say whether he was alive or not, the father had died in 1831.

I have occasionally seen just the word "Dead" under father's name and occupation when trundling through July 1837 onwards London marriages on Ancestry. The occasional lazy registrar omitting vital info that could come in useful for descendants.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


Offline BumbleB

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,351
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 November 23 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Apologies, coombs!!

I do not quite understand why you consider that it is the Registrar who omits information.  I understand that it is his/her duty to incorporate the information as given by the groom/bride. 
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,513
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 November 23 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Apologies, coombs!!

I do not quite understand why you consider that it is the Registrar who omits information.  I understand that it is his/her duty to incorporate the information as given by the groom/bride.

Dont start with the passive aggressive "apologies but" please. I was merely just guessing that a registrar could be lazy even if given then info and may have said "I'll just put dead instead of giving his name".
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

Offline BumbleB

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,351
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 November 23 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Fair do's!  Each to their own :-* :-* :-* :-X
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY

Offline rosie99

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 42,196
  • ALFIE 2009 - 2021 (Rosbercon Sky's the Limit)
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 November 23 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Do the fathers of the married couple have to be alive when they are recorded on the certificate

They don't even have to exist as no proof would be required.  An illegitimate child could easily invent a father.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Pinetree

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,599
    • View Profile
Re: Marriage certificate
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 November 23 17:23 GMT (UK) »
I was just going to say the same thing Rosie, certainly have a few examples of that in my tree.

Pinetree
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk