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Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« on: Sunday 31 March 24 15:41 BST (UK) »
David Black was born in Dykehead, New Monkland in 1808. He was Free Kirk minister of Tillicoultry from 1843 to 1874, and eventually retired to Ardrossan, where he died on 14 June 1878. His wife Jean Thomson died in 1904 and his daughters Jean in 1913, Agnes in 1916, and Catherine in 1932, all in Ardrossan.

I would be interested in knowing whether there is a gravestone and if so whether or not it commemorates any of the rest of his family.
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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 March 24 17:58 BST (UK) »
All I can see is this entry from here www.threetowners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=165929&hilit=rev+david+black#p165929

GLASGOW HERALD
21 NOVEMBER 1935

A MEMORIAL WINDOW UNVEILED

A window in memory of the mother and sisters of Mr. M. T. Black, Harrogate, has been unveiled and dedicated in St. Johnís, Ardrossan.

The donor is Mr. M. T. Black, son of the Rev. David Black, former minister of Tillicoultry. Those commemorated by the window were for many years members of St. Johnís Church, Ardrossan.

The window, entitled ďJesus in the House of Martha and Mary,Ē has been designed and executed by Mr. Walter J. R. Cook, D.A. (Edinburgh), who recently was commissioned to supply the Haig windows in the Scots Kirk, Aldershot. It was dedicated by the Rev. Dr. Adamson, minister of St. Johnís.


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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 March 24 18:13 BST (UK) »

There are a few death notices but none give funeral or burial information that I've come across - sorry.

Glasgow Daily Mail
Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland 
Sat, 15 Jun 1878
Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/article/glasgow-daily-mail/144493294/
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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 March 24 20:09 BST (UK) »
This is from the Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald of Friday 22nd January 1904.

BLACK - At Auchendhu, Ardrossan, on the 19th
January, Jean Thomson, widow of the Rev.
David Black. Funeral Cortege leaves the
house at 2.45 p.m. to-day (Friday). Friends
kindly accept this intimation.

So if she was buried in Ardrossan, presumably her husband was too.


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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 31 March 24 20:25 BST (UK) »
I agree, GR2.

Forfarian, you could contact the North Ayrshire Council and ask them to search the burial registers. They  offer this service with no charge. See www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/births-marriages-and-deaths/deaths/burial-search.aspx

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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 March 24 22:24 BST (UK) »
North Ayrshire Council has photographs of all the gravestones in Ardrossan Cemetery (opened 1854).

https://www.maps.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/arcgis/rest/services/Collector_Projects/Memorial_Inspections/FeatureServer/0/153434/attachments/151923

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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 March 24 22:27 BST (UK) »
Briliant, thank you, GR2, that's exactly what I was looking for. In particular Robert, who is obviously not buried with the rest of them.

Full marks to North Ayrshire Council too.
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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 31 March 24 23:28 BST (UK) »
GLASGOW HERALD, 15 JUNE 1878
DEATH
BLACK: At Burnfoot, Ardrossan, on the 14th instant, Rev. David Black, late Free Church minister, Tillicoultry.

GLASGOW HERALD, 20 JANUARY 1904
DEATH
BLACK: At Auchendhu, Ardrossan, on the 19th instant, Jean Thomson, widow of the Rev. David Black.


GLASGOW HERALD, 21 NOVEMBER 1935
A MEMORIAL WINDOW UNVEILED.
A window in memory of the mother and sisters of Mr. M. T. Black, Harrogate, has been unveiled and dedicated in St. Johnís, Ardrossan.
The donor is Mr. M. T. Black, son of the Rev. David Black, former minister of Tillicoultry. Those commemorated by the window were for many years members of St. Johnís Church, Ardrossan.
The window, entitled ďJesus in the House of Martha and Mary,Ē has been designed and executed by Mr. Walter J. R. Cook, D.A. (Edinburgh), who recently was commissioned to supply the Haig windows in the Scots Kirk, Aldershot. It was dedicated by the Rev. Dr. Adamson, minister of St. Johnís.
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Re: Is the Reverend David Black buried in Ardrossan?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 April 24 10:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you.

The Rev David and his wife Jean Thomson had five daughters and four sons. Only one son married (at the age of 52), and he had one son and a daughter who died young. I'm still looking into the son, to see if he was married twice. If he wasn't, then I reckon the family has died out.

Three of the sons were in business together in Bradford as woolcombers. The fourth one went to New Zealand, and his mother's will makes an interesting and detailed provision for him which prevents him getting his hands on the capital of her legacy unless he outlives all his siblings, which didn't happen.

Armed with the information on the gravestone (thank you, GR2), I now have either death certificates or entries from the New Zealand and English deaths indexes, most of them backed up by probate or newspaper reports or burial records.
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