Help with a brick wall please 🙏 thank you

[brigidmac]

Regarding never having heard of Phyllis.  Maybe she went by a nickname or middle name . That often happens .

It helps other researcher if you give ALL the details that you know at the start . You might think you know little but a remembered fact about professions or locations could help
Even knowing which religion they were . Could lead to finding baptisms

[jonw65]

Elizabeth Thomas was still alive in 1911. Age 67.
With her son Benjamin in Hackney
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X984-4XM

Could this be Joseph in 1861 living at 1 Fairey Street, Hackney

Elizabeth   Green   Widow   58   occ   Laundress   bn Witney, Oxfordshire
Joseph   Green   Grandson   7   Scholar   bn West Hackney, Middlesex
Harriet   Thomas   Granddaughter   3   Scholar   bn West Hackney, Middlesex, England
RG09/154 f20 p33

Just add in 1871 for George and Elizabeth Thomas.
They have a son Joseph, 17. And a daughter Harriet, age 13.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNL-PGX

[jonw65]

Yikes, that was the wrong census for Elizabeth
But she was still alive in 1911. Age 77
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG6-2C5

[Emzunicorn01]

Thank you for the birth details

Have you looked for William & Joseph on 1939 register?

Can’t post details of 1939 register. It appears that William J Chapman b1853 (same dob) is living in Hampstead. He should also be on 1921 census.

Is this his death entry?



CHAPMAN, WILLIAM  JOSEPH     age 89 
GRO Reference: 1943  M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD  Volume 01A  Page 585

Hi yes this is him , struggles to trace him in 1921

[Ladyhawk]

Hi yes this is him , struggles to trace him in 1921

He's in Hampstead
William Chapman 1853 Stoke Newington, Middlesex

[Emzunicorn01]

Regarding never having heard of Phyllis.  Maybe she went by a nickname or middle name . That often happens .

It helps other researcher if you give ALL the details that you know at the start . You might think you know little but a remembered fact about professions or locations could help
Even knowing which religion they were . Could lead to finding baptisms

All the information I have given is what I have got , I will definitely look out for this Phyllis

[Emzunicorn01]

Hi yes this is him , struggles to trace him in 1921

He's in Hampstead
William Chapman 1853 Stoke Newington, Middlesex

Thank you so much

[Ladyhawk]

Could this be Joseph in 1861 living at 1 Fairey Street, Hackney

Elizabeth   Green   Widow   58   occ   Laundress   bn Witney, Oxfordshire
Joseph   Green   Grandson   7   Scholar   bn West Hackney, Middlesex
Harriet   Thomas   Granddaughter   3   Scholar   bn West Hackney, Middlesex, England
RG09/154 f20 p33

In 1851 at Pullens Place, Hackney
Elizabeth   Green   Widow   48   bn   Witney, Oxfordshire
Elizabeth   Green   Daughter   Unmarried   18   bn    Stamford Hill, Middlesex, England
H0107/1504 f9 p11

Is this Elizabeth Green & her daughter Elizabeth in 1841 Hackney?

Piece   700
Folio   5
Page number   3
James Green 40 Coachman
Elizabeth Green   35>>>>>>>>noted as not born in this county
Elizabeth Green 9

1851 census says widow Elizabeth Green Coachmans wife

There's this possible burial for Elizabeth's husband

James GREEN  Age   48 abode Union Street
Burial 15 Dec 1850 Hackney

There's  this marriage for a

Elizabeth ASHFIELD
Marriage 10 May 1829 West Hackney Church, West Hackney: Stoke Newington Road, Hackney
Spouse   James GREEN
both single, both signed their name in presence of John & Ann Ashfield

[Dundee]

Could my Elizabeth Green have been married before and not disclosed it ? Thanks ☺️

Elizabeth was probably unmarried when she had Joseph and William.  Joseph may have died as an infant.

GREEN, JOSEPH
Aged under 12 months
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 155

Buried 1 August 1852 aged 6 months, address Union Street.

Debra