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Refusal to sign E.624
« on: Wednesday 28 August 24 12:39 BST (UK) »
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This chap was discharged due to 'having refused to sign AT E624' but i'm not entirely sure what part this refences to? Is it 'under a6 T?

Can anyone help?
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Re: Refusal to sign E.624
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 12:49 BST (UK) »
Army Form E 624 Agreement to serve outside the UK in National Emergency - Territorial Force

ACI is Army Council Instruction.  This later became DCI for Defence Council Instruction.

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Re: Refusal to sign E.624
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 13:04 BST (UK) »
Odd that he would sign up and then doesn't sign the document to allow him to serve outside the UK?

Its mentions a6 and 1440/16, would these be paragraphs in this form? I've tried to see if I could find a copy ofo the form online but no luck so far.
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Re: Refusal to sign E.624
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 13:43 BST (UK) »
Odd that he would sign up and then doesn't sign the document to allow him to serve outside the UK?

Its mentions a6 and 1440/16, would these be paragraphs in this form? I've tried to see if I could find a copy ofo the form online but no luck so far.
I think you need to see the Form E624 as requiring him to serve outside the UK, ie be sent to France or Flanders to fight, rather than allowing him to do so. During peace time many men joined the Volunteers or Militia, which later became amalgamated into the Territorial Force, as a paid hobby, with little thought that they might one day be expected to fight for their country.  Ironically once he was discharged from the Territorial Force he became eligible to be conscripted and then have to go to France any way.

And it's not A6, it's ACI, which as I explained in my previous posting stands for Army Council Instruction. That is to say, a general administrative instruction issued by the War Office. That particular one was No. 1440 of 1916. I don't know exactly what it said, but 1916 saw a great many administrative changes to do with enlistment, the call up of recruits and embodiment of territorial soldiers, so this particular ACI was probably part of a series, and dealt with what to do about TF soldiers who refused to sign the E624.


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Re: Refusal to sign E.624
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 August 24 15:13 BST (UK) »
Ah i see!

Thats really helpful! Thank you!
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Re: Refusal to sign E.624
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 August 24 12:28 BST (UK) »
One of the changes Andy J2022 refers to was the change in the law as part
of the Military Services Act (1916) which referred to the TF.
A Territorial signed up for 4 years + 1 in reserve after that he was deemed
"time served" & couldn't be re-recruited even in a time of war unless he
volunteered.
All of that changed under the Act & a Territorial who would have been time served
after Jan 1916 (single men) & May 1916 (married men) could be retained for the Duration of the war.
As you can see he had served his 5 years + 127 days giving an attestation of around early-mid Feb. 1911.
This was by June 1916.
It may have been the case that he was being pushed to re-sign but argued as he was time served prior to the Act he wasn't compelled to do so & was discharged.
The men who did re-sign were awarded a £15 bounty.
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