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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 20:23 GMT (UK) »
On the letter is noted "P'vte Ingleton". Could this be the private soldier in the family photo.

No. The soldier in the family photo is not a private soldier at all. He is an officer. A Lieutenant to be precise.
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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 18 December 24 12:20 GMT (UK) »
I see you have added that service record I found to your tree, it says that his parents are listed in the next of kin section on enlistment as parents Michael and Sarah, then after he married it would be his wife which is a good match for your man.
However, I know very little about army uniforms and Wexflyer says the man wearing uniform on the photo was an officer so I'm not at all certain this could  be 'your' Michael McGrory jnr in the photo as the service record says he was a Bombadier (or Lance Bombadier) so maybe attaching the  photo is a bit of a long shot unless you have other info to confirm this?

Is that 'letter' actually a letter or is it a business card?

It looks like a business card which has M.A. McGrory's job title, employer and business address and also his Pvte (home/private) address. of Ingleton, Aigburth Hall Road, Liverpool

The Garston 1917 is not a date but a home telephone number. I haven't looked for other years but there's definitely one in the British Phone Books, 1880-1984 on Ancestry (which you seem to have access to) matching this name, address and tel no in 1946

FindMyPast have images for the marriages at parish church at Buckland in the record set kent-marriages-and-banns and this marriage record will be in there and will give you their fathers' names and occupations. 

a free search of the  1921 census shows a Michael Aloysius McGrory (born 1893, Armagh) and a Gladys Rosa McGrory (born 1895, Chichester, Sussex) living in Liverpool . That  would match with the possible service record I posted. Now though we know your Michael jnr was born in Gateshead and not Armagh, he did grow up in Armagh and is on the 1901 census there
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Clady/Cladybeg/1016605/

If you don't have access to FindMyPast then maybe your library does or you could sign up for a free trial and get the images for both the marriage and the 1921 register

The couple are listed on the 1939 register in Chichester and give birth dates (though the original date for Michael was later altered by the NHS)

I'm nosey and downloaded the birth register entry for the Michael McGrory who was born in Gateshead as additional verification - I've attached it  for you.

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 19 December 24 20:47 GMT (UK) »


The same query is now on photo board. Because photo submissions on that board are checked for copyright etc., it seems to have only appeared recently.
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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 19 December 24 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I've scanned a higher resolution picture including a very close up of a badge on the soldier's collar.
I've also found the phone book directory for Garston phone no. 1917, great find thanks.
I did post on the other forum after posting this on recommentation, surprised it took a while to get approved and then this topic took off.
I don't know about the military uniform either, I was hoping the M.A Mcgrory who has a business card in Liverpool and was in the regiment as a bombardier would be this solder. If this officer in this photo of the McGrory family is not the bombardier, I'm not sure who it is.
Also on the back of the photo i found faint text that reads:Yours truly Lurene Fox. Michael McGrory had a daughter Lurena and who was sister to Teresa McGrory, but I can't find any confirmation if this Lurene Fox who signed the photo is Lurena McGrory.
I'll follow up more over the weekend and should I request other post to be cancelled or ask them to detail the soldier/officer?


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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 19 December 24 21:45 GMT (UK) »
The officer in the photo is absolutely not a bombardier, which is the name for the equivalent of corporal within the artillery corps.
I don't recognize the officers regimental badge. If you repost the photo in the armed forces sub-forum, I am sure they will be able to identify.
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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 19 December 24 22:07 GMT (UK) »
The officer in the photo is absolutely not a bombardier, which is the name for the equivalent of corporal within the artillery corps.
I don't recognize the officers regimental badge. If you repost the photo in the armed forces sub-forum, I am sure they will be able to identify.

I am seeing, I think, some medal ribbons above the pocket in the enlarged photo.  Would that be possible? 

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 19 December 24 22:11 GMT (UK) »
I am seeing, I think, some medal ribbons above the pocket in the enlarged photo.  Would that be possible?
Good catch. Faint, but possible.
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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 19 December 24 22:17 GMT (UK) »
The couple to the left in the front row seem to be 'dressed up' with the woman having a corsage and the man wearing semi formal dress with a grey waistcoat.  The woman looks to have lighter (greyish) hair bit this could be an artifact of the photograph Could the picture be taken at a significant wedding  anniversary for the couple say 25 years or to celebrate the homecoming of the son after war-service?

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #26 on: Friday 20 December 24 07:00 GMT (UK) »
I can’t see anyone aged 10 in that photo.
To me it looks more like a company staff / work place photo. All women employees (because it was war time) – all much the same age, along with the boss/ owner of the company.
Anything to do with the National Cash Register Co in Liverpool?

I note the back of the photo has been signed. Your truly …? ( a close up needed)
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