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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 08:19 GMT (UK) »
The officer's uniform tells us that this photo cannot predate 1902.  That was the year that officers started wearing cuff rank insignia of the type shown in the photo. Cuff ranks were in use 1902-1920.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 08:24 GMT (UK) »
The officer's uniform also tells us that the photo can't predate 1902. He is wearing khaki service dress. That first came into use at 'home" in 1902, and was universal by the end of 1903.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 08:27 GMT (UK) »
Further, the officer isn't wearing any medal ribbons. That implies the latest date for the photo is 1918. If he had served during the Great War, he would have had medal ribbons post 1918.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 08:29 GMT (UK) »
OP  - the officer is a British army lieutenant, in 1902-1918 period. Does that fit with anyone in your family? If you could make a higher resolution scan, concentrating on his collar tags, it should be possible to determine his regiment or corps.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

I've also found a letter posted to the McGrory family in the same collection.
Its dated 1917 so it could match with the corrected date of the family photo in the period up to the great war. On the letter is noted "P'vte Ingleton". Could this be the private soldier in the family photo.
Also taking note of my family tree in ancestry here:
https://www.ancestry.com/invite-ui/accept?token=sEnNdM2khnmSh_TkPEWagOoQvrOmh_nyOWUOC2Ddv8M=
If we then take Teresa McGrory (b 1889 d.1978) as one of the young ladies in the photo with the parents Michael McGrory (1856-1929) and Sarah McKenna (b. 1861). I have Michael McGrory born in Armagh, then his chidren born in England who then immigrated later back to Armagh.

I don't know who the soldier in the family is.

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 15:35 GMT (UK) »
'possible' 1911 census for this family

which has two children Teresa born c1889  and Michael born c 1893 both born in England
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
gives two results in Gateshead, for these names with MMN of McKenna/McKerma (near enough to McKenna)

and there is a  ww1 service record for a Michael A McGrory which may be worth exploring to see if he's the young man in uniform -  born 1893, address at enlistment was Amargh, service no 74343 Royal Garrison Artillery. That record says he married a Gladys Rose Young in 1916

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Re: photo of mgrory family 1866
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 December 24 16:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for finding the regiment number.
I was able to find his military records as a gunner including discharge in 1919 back to his residence in Liverpool, which may be the same address as the posted letter.
I was also able to confirm his birth date of 17 May 1893 in Durham instead of 1883, as confirmed by his baptism records with parents Michael McGrory and Sarah mcKenna. This then puts Michael A McGrory as aged 23 in the photo, the spitting image of his father too without a doubt. Then Theresa McGrory would have been older still around 28 years old, most likely in this photo as the older of the young ladies.

That then leads to who the others in the photo are. Is the lady to the right of michael then his newly wed wife of Gladys dressed in black surrounded by the mcgrory sisters? Could this photo have been taken around the wedding of 1916 or around the time of 1917 when the letter was posted to liverpool. was this photo taken in liverpool or back in the parents home in armagh.