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The Common Room / how do I fix errors on the Family Search tree?
« on: Thursday 03 February 22 20:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all

previously we have talked about my 4xGreat-Grandfather Thomas Hornsby, who I'm particularly interested in as he was my first ancestor to travel to Australia of his own free will.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=338479.18

Many family trees have his parents incorrect. I have added his correct parents to the Family Search tree, but he still remains listed with his incorrect ones. how do I unlink him from them?

Thanks
Nudge

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Australia / How Oz are you?
« on: Sunday 30 January 22 22:08 GMT (UK)  »
been looking at the fan chart on Family Search with the highlighted birthplaces. Interesting to see in that format how many Australian born ancestors I have. Being a 6th generation Australian, I have 23 in total:

2/2 parents (both living)
4/4 grandparents (b. 1910-1921)
7/8 great-grandparents (b. 1872-1895)
9/16 great-great-grandparents (b. 1842-1868)
1/32 great-great-great-grandparents (Emily Hornsby b. 1843)

All born in South Australia, I might add. Thomas Waye b. 1842 is my earliest Aussie-born ancestor.

How about you?

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The Common Room / finding a prisoner in 1836
« on: Friday 28 January 22 09:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I'm hoping to find a ancestor of mine who was imprisoned in 1836, before being transported to Australia. His name is Peter WIFFIN alias VIVIAN, and he was convicted at the Old Bailey on 1 Feb 1836. and was sent to New South Wales aboard Bengal Merchant on 4 Aug 1836.

I'm wondering if he was in Newgate prison? Or was he aboard a convict hulk for the 6 months in between?

There are many spelling variations of his surname. WIFFEN; VIVION; VIVEN to name a few.

Thanks

Nudge

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South Africa / Lord Ashburton in Capetown 1850
« on: Wednesday 12 January 22 12:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all.

I'm researching the story of my families migration to Australia. They were sailing on the Lord Ashburton when it was demasted during a violent storm in the Atlantic, and pulled into Capetown for three weeks of repairs in late April 1850. I'm wondering if there are any resources such as online newspapers where I could find news of the ship in South Africa.

Thanks in advance

nudge.

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Shropshire / Edwards conundrum in Oswestry & Llanymynech
« on: Sunday 17 March 19 03:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all. It's been a while. Just going to post something up for clarity. Back on the hunt for my Edwards line, who emigrated to South Oz in 1850. In the 1841 census they are in Llanforda, two miles west of Oswestry, Shropshire. I know from Australian BDM details that he was born in late 1801, and his father is John Edwards. The most likely matching record is this birth in Oswestry:
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1802, Jan. 3. Thomas, s. of John Edwards, pumpmr., & Margaret, b. Dec. 24 ... bap.
Other records that appear to be for the same family include:
1799, June 9. Margt., d. of John Edwards, pumpmaker, & Margt., b. May 29 ... bap.
1803, July 21. William, s. of John Edwards, Whitehorse, & Margt., b. 15 ... bap.
1805, May 20. Richard, s. of John Edwards, pumpman, & Margaret, b. 12 ... bap.

Now I found this marriage that might be a fit:
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1769, Sep. 19. John Edwards, widr., & Margaret Rogers, sp., of O., lic.
One of the witnesses to this marriage is Daniel Edwards. While the names John Edwards and Thomas Edwards are a dime a dozen in the area, Daniel Edwards is rare. The only one at the time seems to have born in nearby Llanymynech in 1773, about six miles to the south. His father is John Edwards (1731-1805), who happens to be a pumpmaker! Daniel has an older stepbrother named John, born at Llanymynech in 1763.

As John Edwards is a widower, we need a previous marriage. I did find this in Oswestry:
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1786, May 15. John Edwards of Llanymynech, bac., & Margaret Aeron of O., wid., lic.
Margaret Aaron was a widow from Llanforda, with three children, the eldest was 21. However, if her new husband is John Edwards Jr, he married an considerably older woman, in fact he would be only 4 years older than his eldest stepson. If that is John Edwards Sr the pumpmaker, then he did a Mick Jagger and fathered a child at 73! But the record does not state John as a widower for this marriage, John Sr had already been married and widowed twice by then. Did John Edwards Jr take up his father's trade of pumpmaking and operate from the White Horse hotel in Oswestry? Margaret Edwards died at the White Horse 22nd July 1796, John remarries two months later?

Just to add to the confusion there's this:
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1797, July 16. John, s. of John Edwards, W. Horse, & Elizth., b. June 29 ... bap.
Elizabeth? Shouldn't that be Margaret?

Anyone got any ideas on this mess?







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Australia / multiple birth registrations for one person in SA 1874?
« on: Friday 01 April 16 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi all

Bit of a story to tell here. my gt-gt-gt-grandfather John WAYE (1810-1888) arrived from Devon with his family in Adelaide aboard South Sea in 1855. Aboard the same ship is the family of John WELCHFORD (1811-1894) from Dorset. Both families settle in Willunga.

Anyway, in 1857 the eldest children in the two families marry, being James WAYE (1834-1897) & Jane WELCHFORD (1834-1894) the have three known children, all boys:

1857 Edwin Gordon WAYE
1860 Alfred Welchford WAYE
1866 Hurtle WAYE

It is common for 19th century BDM registrations to have the family listed as WAY. There is an unrelated WAY family in the Yankalilla area at the time. I was searching the Genealogy SA indexes wit the alternate spelling of WAY when I found these:

Year: 1874
Surname: WELCHFORD
Given Name: William
Father Name: Jas WAY
Mother Name: Eliza WELCHFORD
District: Adelaide

Year: 1874
Surname: WAY
Given Name: William Welchford
Father Name: Jas WAY
Mother Name: Eliza WELCHFORD
District: Adelaide

What do you make of this double registration? Eliza (1848-1899) was the younger sister of Jane. William dies the same year (1874)

The story of this family gets sordid when you delve deeper. Another WELCHFORD sister, Anna, was married to a Joseph ALLEN of Willunga in 1857. and they had two children in 1859 and 1860. Anyway, on Trove in the South Australian Register of 21 Jan 1861 there are two court cases:

WELCHFORD v. ALLEN. — Claim for 11/. 11s.,money paid on account of defendant as the father
of the illegitimate child of one Eliza Welchford, a girl of 13 years of age, and daughter of the plaintiff.
Plea, not indebted. Mr. Bonnin appeared for the defendant After the plaintiff's case had been
heard at great length, in which facts of a character almost too gross for publication, were given in evidence, defendant's attorney asked for an adjournment of the case, inasmuch as his client had been taken by surprise by the course of evidence taken that day, and had not several of his witnesses present. The Court granted the adjournment prayed for, and the evidence of the plaintiff will appear next month with a full report of the case.

ALLEN v. WELCHFORD.— Assault. Defendant pleaded not guilty. The evidence in this case disclosed angry words and overt acts of aggression on both sides. The Court bound over the parties each in their own bond for 10/. to keep the peace towards each other for twelve months.

The child of Eliza was registered in 1860 as William, with no father listed. This William also died in the year of his birth.

So my question is, why the two different birth registrations for the same child in 1874, bearing different surnames? Is this acknowledgement of a de-facto status?

Thanks
Nigel

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United States of America / Robert Willoughby in Texas
« on: Sunday 13 March 16 06:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all.

Have a couple of questions regarding Robert Willoughby. The Willoughby family, from whom I descend, migrated from Britain to South Australia in 1838. The exception was second son Robert (born 1813 in Illogan, Cornwall) who had left in 1834, turning up in Mexican Texas. He had quite a colourful history, taking parts in the Texas Revolution. afterwards he settled in Victoria, Texas, marrying and having children before being caught up in the Civil War as a Confederate soldier. He was captured and executed in New Orleans in 1864.

Two questions, being totally unfamiliar with researching Americans.

1. Is there somewhere I can go to find an immigration record for him? What ship he sailed to America on?

2. Who was his wife? He married his wife Sarah Ann in Texas in 1853. Some online resources give her surname as ILAMS or ILIAMS, the IGI has her as being Sarah Ann FOSGATE. Which is correct?

Thanks in advance
Nigel

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The Common Room / What occupation is Rooper?
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 10:17 GMT (UK)  »
Found on the Cornwall OPC site while looking for a baptism for Eliza Grace SMITH in 1815 that the occupation of her father is listed as a Rooper. Does anyone have any idea about this?

When she marries in 1838, his occupation is teacher.

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Cornwall / The WILLOUGHBY family of Illogan
« on: Friday 04 March 16 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
If you are connected to the WILLOUGHBY family, this article is worth a read! Particularly the exploits of Robert in the Texas War of Independence!

http://www.cornishreunited.com/the-willoughby-of-illogan/#comment-201338

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