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Offline Barry1936

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Re: Holborn Bars
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 15 February 09 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Vicki.  Having re-read some of my contributions on this subject I may have caused some confusion by referring to Parishes as they existed at different periods.  At risk of teaching you to suck eggs, may I explain that the original pre Norman parish for this area was St Andrew Holborn, which stretched over a huge area, much of it countryside.  As the population grew, new parishes were created within the original St Andrews area.  Thus it is important when looking at maps, parish records and early census documents, etc, to choose the right one depending on the date being searched.   Ignoring very early divisions such as St Giles in the Fields 1547, the first new parish was St George the Martyr, initially as a 'Chapel of Ease' from St Andrews and subsequently (1763?) as a full parish in its own right, mostly covering Queen Square, Red Lion Square and adjacent roads.  By 1875 St George the Martyr had become too small and was further split to form St St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square. 

Little happened to the rest of St Andrews Holborn parish boundaries for a further 50+ years, when St Peter Saffron Hill was formed in 1832, Holy Trinity 1839 and, lastly, St Alban (Ben's parish!) in 1863, ie after the 1841 and 1851 census.   Sadly, changes to the registration Districts after 1837 simply further add to our headache of reconciling records that we unearth.

Barry 

Hepburn - Clerkenwell, Islington, Limehouse, Grays, Northumberland, Derby, Warwickshire
Cowell - Stanford le Hope, Erith, Orsett, Grays
Powell - Sheppey Kent, New Zealand
Williams - Llanferres, Clwyd, Denbighshire

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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 February 09 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Have you viewed my Holborn site yet?

Included is the death cert of my 3xgreat grandmother who died in 1886 at Evelyn Buildings. The churchwarden of St Alban is also a member.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 15 February 09 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Yes Ben, I certainly have.  Although much of the topographical content relates to a later period than my ancestors were there, I found the description of life at the time quite thought provoking.  Imagine having to work as a soap boiler at 75, only to die a few months later.   Puts into perspective many of today's issues relating to retirement and pensions.

Barry
Hepburn - Clerkenwell, Islington, Limehouse, Grays, Northumberland, Derby, Warwickshire
Cowell - Stanford le Hope, Erith, Orsett, Grays
Powell - Sheppey Kent, New Zealand
Williams - Llanferres, Clwyd, Denbighshire

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 15 February 09 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Thomas Roberts, my 3xgreat grandfather was a Holborn soap boiler and shoeblack at times of the year. He was also reliant on poor relief due to his age.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The site now contains maps of St Alban Holborn for 1873, 1894 and 1914. Several photos of the area including inside the church, Leather Lane and Brookes Market.

Also included is several stories on the lives of the Roberts family at Evelyn Buildings 1882-1889.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 00:21 BST (UK) »
Hepburn, for this time John place birth and parents

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 April 09 21:27 BST (UK) »
Hi

Holborn St Alban is probably one of my favourite areas of London and it is an area that I can relate to. If my ancestors lived there from 1878 to 1889 then you can see why. Also my great gran lived at Grays Inn Buildings from 1914 to 1917 so that is another reason for my love of Holborn.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 April 09 00:27 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thank by your research about the Hepburn Family of Holborn. My English is very bad but my and my wife interest of your ggg grandfather we go to continus.
About of he fotography of them how to can view them

redero
Hepburn, for this time John place birth and parents

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 04 June 20 08:20 BST (UK) »
Im afraid not related to the Hepburns but Ben... your comment... I have done extensive research on Holborn. I have even set up a group about the parish of St Alban Holborn on Facebook. I also have a collection of photos of the area.

My great, great grandmother and her parents lived here from 1878 to her fathers death in 1889. They lived at 69 Leather Lane, 9 Portpool Lane, then 18 Evelyn Buildings which is down Dorrington Street, Holborn Above The Bars. Dorrington Street is just north of Furnivals Inn.

Furnivals Inn is just below the Brookes Market and Prudential buildings.

In 1813 my Coombs ancestors lived for a short time at 114 Grays Inn Lane in Holborn. 

I am a descendant of the Murrays (Michael Murray circa 1830 - d 1871 at dorrington Street, m Johanna Brian (o'Brien) his son James Murray (circa 1855) lived Gray's Inn Road, Francis Court, Half moon Court, married Caroline (elizabeth) Diall(s) (farrington Road) , son Thomas Murray (1879) Pine Street, leather Lane, m Annie Sewell.   all in the area you describe.  I would love to make contact.   
Lynne. I have also a FB page Islington Murray Sewell Wigger