POWELL & GREGORY families

[Jamjar]

Is Mary Jane with Philip on the 1891 census?

Jamjar

[RebeccaNZ]

Is Mary Jane with Philip on the 1891 census?

Jamjar

Yep, she is. Alos they have another daughter born about 1889 too


1891
Phillip Powell abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Head Cogan, Glamorgan
Mary Jane abt 1858 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Cogan, Glamorgan
Minnie Powell abt 1879 Cogan, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Agnes Powell abt 1881 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan
Charles Powell abt 1883 Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Son Cogan, Glamorgan
Maria Powell abt 1889 Cogan, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Cogan, Glamorgan

[Jamjar]

Umm, that blows the idea that Mary Jane may have died in childbirth. 

Jamjar

[RebeccaNZ]

Umm, that blows the idea that Mary Jane may have died in childbirth. 

Jamjar

Yeah,  I know. It's been frustrating me for ages.

As much as I would like for Philip Powell to be her father it just doesn't seem likely unless he got someone pregnant who wasn't his wife. Even if he did - he wasn't living in the same location as the suspected birth place for Alice Maud ....

I've been through all the possible candidates for parents and I really have no idea who her parents are - but I do feel that she is somehow related to the Powell family as it seems that Gregory's took in Mary's nieces and nephews.

I don't even know for certain if her "real" last name is Powell or not ....

[winston]

HI

I know Robert and Mary where together in the 1881 census but when did they marry?


Wendy

[avm228]

Her birth cert I think:

September 1889

Alice Maud Powell  Pontypridd    11a   452   

Found on FreeBMD

Jamjar

Not sure about this one - the child who was the subject of this registration may well be the Alice M Powell b Pontypridd who in 1891 was enumerated as the 1 yr old daughter of Owen and Mary Powell in Pontypridd RD: RG12/4420/35/1.

Anna

[osprey]

it looks like Robert & Mary didn't have children of their own. 1891 census, Robert H, Albert C and Alice are nephews and niece, but are sons & daughter in 1901. There's also a 10 year old Willie in 1901, but no William Gregory birth reg in Pontypridd district.
Blodwen Cousins is niece in 1901, but looks to be Gregory in 1911.


By the way, the address in 1891 is Graig yr Helfa Houses, Glyntaff

www.rootschat.com/links/06mh/

they're enumerated near the Round Houses

[RebeccaNZ]

HI

I know Robert and Mary where together in the 1881 census but when did they marry?


Wendy

Hi Wendy,

I never thought about that .... I just did a search for marriages for Robert Gregory between 1871 and 1881 in Glamorgan and Breconshire but got no results ... so no, after a quick search I can't find their marriage record.

I do know they weren't married 1871 -

1871: Rickard St, Glamorgan Llantwit Fardre (registration district - Pontypridd)
Edward Evans 32 Head M News? Vendor
Maria Evans 35 M House Keeper
Mary Powell 19 Dau U Merthyr, Glam
Phillip Powell 16 Son U Haulier Cardiff
Elizabeth Powell 13 Dau U Newport, Mon
Amelia Powell 10 Dau Cardiff
Edward Evans 1 Son Cardiff
Maria Evans 1 Dau Cardiff
Jane Gregory 48 Lodger Wid Glamorgan
Robert Gregory 22 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Henry Gregory 20 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Robert Bains (Burns?)30 M Pudlar Ireland
Mary Barns (Burns?) 34 M Stone, Staffordshire
Thos Davies 31 Lodger U Curaavon, Glamorgan

I assume they were married between 1871 and 1881 .....

osprey - yes, Robert and Mary could not have children .... My great-grandmother told her children that all her siblings were adopted. Blodwen Cousins is later Blodwen Gregory 1911 census ....
Thankyou for the link too ....

[winston]

Hi

this family certainly is a muddled one, with all the surnames inter-locking for whatever the reason.

I asked about the marriage incase Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell herself did indeed have a child out of wedlock who then went on to have Alice out of wedlock - therefore making Alice Maude infact the grandaughter of Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell.

Wendy