BURTOO family

[lizdb]

Reminds of reseacrching thename De Boo

'sounds French' says some
'must be Hugenot' says some
'was originally De Beaux' said mother in law with illusions of grandeur

Plodded back, with help of another researcher.

Twas always Deboo or many variations of how it sounds (just like your Burtoo with all its different sounds!)
They actually seem to have come from Flanders over to the Fenlands to help drain the Fens.

So thats my advise - forget spelling, forget assumptions, just keep on following leads and piecing bits together.

[tazzie]

  Laurina asked for this one ...

  24 Nov 1860  James Carlton full age bach Draper of Culford Rd
                                                               father John Carlton farmer
                 Matilda Elizabeth Bowden full age spin. of Hove Brighton
                                                                father Richard Bowden Saddler
  at West Hackney Church.

 Tazzie

[abeautifulenigma]

Thank you.

I am going to try and trace John Bertout using parish records ... does anyone know where I can find Orpington parish ones?

[MaryA]

Well you already have some entries from the IGI - www.familysearch.org.uk and there's also the Online Parish Clerk's page that may have something useful.  http://www.kent-opc.org/

You may find something if you were to contact the Bromley Archives http://www.bromley.gov.uk/libraries/librariesintheborough/bromley_archives.htm and if you wished to purchase CD's or the like the Parish Chest might be useful http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php

I suspect that if you are looking further back than you have now, one of the best places to post on the forum is www.rootschat.com  but perhaps switch counties to Kent.

And I always believe that local people know their area well, so if you were interested you could join the Kent FHS http://www.kfhs.org.uk/ who I'm sure would have a lot of resources.

[andyswarbs]

I too have an interest in Bertout.  I have a traced one document on the web proving the french lineage http://pdbzro.com/pdf/caumont.pdf is a French family document detailing some Bertout surnames, but I don't think that helps me.

My interest is that my 5xG-father was, I believe, James Toole the toasmaster with the East India Company, and he was married to Elizabeth Bertout.  I think the record http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/family_group_record.asp?familyid=154408722&indi_id=500155716275&lds=1&region=2&frompage=99 is their marriage, notice that Elizabeth's surname is written as Bertons in this instance.

[MaryA]

I think you may find that the transcription of any name onlne depends on who has read it and what their interpretation of it is.  Once you know the name, you would say that it clearly reads Bertout.   See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,500805.0.html

[andyswarbs]

Mary,

Many, many thanks for the cross-link.  That is more than I never even hoped for, since that thread has, I believe, the marriage certificate of my 5x grandparents. 

Just a couple of weeks ago I felt I was getting a good grip on John Lawrence Toole and family, yet his parents were a mystery.  Now I have proof of their marriage, confirmation of Elizabeth's father and, thanks to some persistent googling, several detailed descriptions of James Toole, one of which describes him as a beadle-like character.  And given that JL Toole was a good friend of Charles Dickens it may be that "The Beadle" in Oliver Twist has some basis from the character of James Toole.

Andy

[andyswarbs]

I am now looking at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=154397068&indi_id=500155700030&lds=1&region=2&frompage=1 which is a marriage of John Bertout & Elizabeth Dadge, dated 1828.  Now given that these people are likely to be one and the same who were  the signatories "in the presence of John's daughter's marriage 10 years earlier (to JL Toole) then I am wondering if this was a marriage late in life, perhaps a second marriage.

My records (vague as they are) had indicated that John Bertout had been married to Mary - of this marriage I have no more details other than her first name, so far.  Perhaps she died.  Nevertheless it is too much of a coincidence that these names are again appearing.

[MaryA]

On 5th October 1828 John Bertout, Bachelor married Elizabeth Dadge, Spinster by Banns at St Mary's Newington, both of this Parish, by Charles Bristow Drought.

Both signed their names in the presence of Henry Quelah? James Toole, Emma Dadge, Kezia Quelah?