Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[Sue222]

Hello Roger
I have seen the Lord Duffus will - in fact that is how I got into this thread a few years back. I got the will accidently when I was looking for another Sutherland. I wonder if any of John Sutherland's half-siblings mentioned John's children in a will. Perhaps, if they were illegitimate, they weren't close.
Do you have the names of Jessie's brothers/sisters?

[despair]

I believe that Adjutant Captain John Sutherland married Catherine Daly in 1809.As he was already approx. 38 at this time he may have been married before.
The baptismal records I have found are as follows,but this may not be a comprehensive list of children as,from memory,there were some reports of marriages or deaths of children not in this list(would have to reread the thread!)

Anne-Marie      1809
Eleanor            1812
Jesse               1824 (According to Joe,Jessie should be born circa 1828)
David               1827
Jane                 1829(sometimes rendered as Jessie in Scotland?)

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

As for the two soldiers John and John in the 1825 military listing possibly being JFB's and JSS's fathers, and the dates on the military list being their enlistment dates, does that math work out?

If they are enlisting in 1803, about how old are they at that time?  Let's say 18. 

Jessie was born in 1828, 25 years later, so in this scenario that would make soldier Sutherland about 43 at her birth. 

JFB was born in 1829, 26 years after John Burke's enlistment, so at that time soldier Burke would be about 44. 

So I guess it's certainly possible that these two gents are the dad's of James and Jessie.

Am I getting this right?  I guess the soldier's age at enlistment is very critical to this conjecturing.

Or not...  Males can father children way late in age.

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Here is the unframed Lady Anne.  Can't believe that my aunt (or her mom) chose a metal oval matte that covered up so much:

[MonicaL]

Amazing to see her now in her full glory 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just for additoinal notes to all the research by Roger.

I believe that Adjutant Captain John Sutherland married Catherine Daly in 1809.As he was already approx. 38 at this time he may have been married before.
The baptismal records I have found are as follows,but this may not be a comprehensive list of children as,from memory,there were some reports of marriages or deaths of children not in this list(would have to reread the thread!)

Anne-Marie      1809
Eleanor            1812
Jesse               1824 (According to Joe,Jessie should be born circa 1828)
David               1827
Jane                 1829(sometimes rendered as Jessie in Scotland?)

You are right Roger on possible name variants for Jessie. See www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jessie.html

From your list above of children, Anna Maria is showing as...'MARRIAGES. Baltinasloe, John Richards, Esq., Ballintra-Gorcy, to Anna Maria, third daughter of Captain John Sutherland, Ballinasloe. 30 June 1841 - Dublin Evening Mail (I don't have full access to the British Newspaper Archives online).

Also a reference to the death of a son Richard on 2 November 1839 in the Northern Standard.

Monica

[despair]

As usual the data raises more questions than gives answers.

Were the two previous daughters(and any sons?) from a previous marriage?
If so,could Lady Ann come from this line?
Am I wrong with the marriage?
Is there a third(or more) marriage given the gap between 1812 and 1824
(would have to be another Catherine)
(as a militia man did he stay in Ireland throughout his career?)

Is there a different Captain John Sutherland yet to be found?

Regards
Roger

[MonicaL]

I have tried to find data on the wife of John Sutherland,Captain and Adjutant,in case she provides the Lady Ann(e) connection.In the record of Jesse's birth she is given as Catherine Sunderland which I think in the nature of the records is her maiden name.Again this is proving problematic.
John Sutherland's death is in 1847,given as 76 years old.Catherine may well have not have been his first wife-again a convincing death record with age eludes me.There  is an entry in the abstract of wills for John Sutherland in 1847.I do not know if this means a will still exists(and,if so how to obtain it).Most records were apparently destroyed in a fire.The will obviously pre dates Jesse's marriage but could perhaps provide other clues,perhaps about his wife.

Again, working through on Roger's notes from earlier.

And again, I don't have access as I subscribe to another site...

Findmypast show entries/images for John Sutherland 1847 in Galway. One in Wills & Probate and the other in church burials. Without looking at these, impossible to say whether they will have any info of substance.

Monica

PS: We have spent years with more questions than answers 

[MonicaL]

Just adding another daughter to the list:

MARRIED. fn St. Mary’s church, Dublin, Thomas Call an. Esq. Balllnasloe, to Sarah Louisa, daughter of Captain J. Sutherland, Mount Catherine, county Galway, Adjutant ot the Galway Militia
18 February 1837 Limerick Chronicle

Monica

PS: A photo of Mount Catherine it seems, now renamed Brackernagh Lodge www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=1003