GRIFFITHS Robert Henry and Jane SA

[jingali]

Hi, can anyone help with info on the marriage (or not?) of Robert Henry Griffiths b. C1843; d. 15/7/1903 aged 60yrs at Adelaide and Jane (Hills) b. C1852; d. 24/8/1921 aged 69 yrs at Eastwood, Adelaide.

Their children are daughters: EJ (Jean); Helena Rose; Bonnie Kate b. C 1885; and sons: IL; Hubert Edward; HW; TA; and Charles Octavious b. C1891; d. 31/7/1945 (the eighth child).

From what I have read in this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,377634.0.html Robert Henry Griffiths was married to a Charlotte Anne Winzor and had two children, Frederick H b. 1864 and George Philip b. 1866. Since Charlotte Anne lived until 1924, did they divorce? Did he marry Jane?

Additionally, from this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,439178.0.html it seems that Jane had two children in Victoria in 1873 and 1875 prior to moving to SA and having more children with Robert Henry.

wimbush1975 who posted with the info re Jane Hills in Vic. and Robert Henry's first marriage (things of which I was previously unaware) hasn't posted for three years so I suppose I won't be able to contact them to verify that info.

ETA most of the info I have is from the Trove resource.

[SASHAR]

Hi jingali,
According to the Biographical Index of Sth Australia (which is not always correct),
Robert Henry Griffiths and Jane HILLS married in 1875 in Melbourne.
Here is the entry from the index:-
GRIFFITHS Robert Henry b. 16.6.1843 St Pancras Mdx Eng - died 16.6.1902 buried West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide - parents Robert & Eliza nee Pickard
Arrived overland from Victoria - occupation, Stonemason, Wharf Tally Clerk residing Pt.Germein, Hilton.  Rel:  CofE
married:  1875 Melbourne, Victoria, Jane HILLS born 1.1.1852 Arundel SSX England, died 24.8.1921.  Daughter of Robert and Charlotte, nee WHITE.
children:=
Isaac Louis  1877-1925
Eliza Jane THOMPSON  1878-1957
Helena Rose CULLEN  1879 - 1966
Hubert Ed  1882 - 1961
Bonnie Kate SIEGMAN  1884 -
Henry Wm Frederick  1886-1963
Thos Arundel  1889 - 1954
Chas Octavius 1890 - 1944

Regards,
Sashar

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Children listed as being born to "Henry" Griffiths and Jane Hills:

Eliza Jane Griffiths
born 11.08.1877, Napperby, District Code: Cla, Book: 187, Page: 261.

Hellena Rose Griffiths
born 05.12.1879, Port Pirie, District Code: Cla, Book: 231, Page: 376.

Hebert Edward Griffiths
born 11.06.1882, Port Augusta, District Code: Fro, Book: 284, Page:395.

Bonnie Kate Griffiths
born 16.06.1884, Port Augusta, District Code: Fro, Book: 330, Page: 117.

Henry William Frederick Griffiths
born 18.07.1886, Port Germein, District Code: Fro, Book: 378, Page: 366.

Thomas Arundal Griffiths
born, 27.01.1889, Port Germein, District Code: Fro, Book: 432, Page: 135.

Charles Octava Griffiths
born 25.02.1890, Port Germein, District Code: Fro, Book: 475, Page: 13.

Cheers,

Janet.

[sparrett]

Children born to JANE HILLS and father U in Victoria

HILLSArthur Robert
Father U
Mother Jane HILLS
Birth Place MELB NTH
Year 1873
Reg 18371



HILLS Isaac
Father U
Mother  Jane HILLS
Birth Place MELB
Year 1875
Reg 17467


Surname HILLS Charles
Father U
 Mother Jane HILLS
Birth Place CARL
Year  1881
Reg 21820


Wimbush ........ hasn't posted for three years so I suppose I won't be able to contact them to verify that info.

Was online Oct 2010

Sue

[sparrett]

  married   1875 Melbourne, Victoria, Jane HILLS

Sashar quotes BISA

There is not a marraige in Victoria for JANE HILLS in 1875

There is

HILL Jane
To  PARSONS William
Year 1875
Reg Number 2271X1877

Sue

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Marriages of children of (Robert) Henry Griffiths and Jane Hills:

On 26 June 1901, Eliza Jane Griffiths (age 23, daughter of Henry Griffiths) married Charles Rosevear Thompson (age 21, son of Charles Thompson), at St. Jude Church, Brighton, District: Ade, Book/Page: 207/1380.

On 27 September 1904, Helena Rose Griffiths (age 24, daughter of Robert Henry Griffiths) married James Cullen (age 27, son of James Cullen), at Queen of Angels Church, Thebarton, District: Hin, Book/Page: 220/1374.

On 26 April 1905, Bonnie Katie Griffiths (age 20, daughter of Robert Henry Griffiths) married Frederick Arthur Siegmann (age27, son of Johann David Siegmann), at St. James Church, West Adelaide, District: Hin, Book/Page: 223/471.

On 13 May 1913, Henry William Frederick Griffiths (age 26, son of Robert Henry Griffiths) married Beatrice Alice Smith (age 26, daughter of Noah Smith), at Church of Christ, Unley, District: Ade, Book/Page: 255/551.

On 21 September 1909, Hubert Edward Griffiths, (age 27, son of Robert Henry Griffiths) married Ivy Brown (age 20, daughter of James Brown), at Baptist Church, Port Pirie, District: Cla, Book/Page: 240/708.

On 16 January 1915, Thomas Arundel Griffiths (age 25, son of Harry Griffiths) married Stella Muriel Quinn (age 22, daughter of Patrick Quinn), at Methodist Manse, West Adelaide, District: Hin, Book/Page: 262/106.

On 20 March 1914, Charles Octavius Griffiths (age 22, son of Robert Henry Griffiths) married Muriel May Dalwood (age 19, daughter of Randolph Templeman Dalwood), at Residence of Mrs Griffiths, New Mile End, District: Hin, Book/Page: 258/844.

On 11 June 1903, Isaac Louis Griffiths (age 26, son of Henry Griffiths) married Rebecca Joyce (age 21, daughter of William Joyce), at Residence of Rev P. Billings, Hyde park, District: Ade, Book/Page: 215/1158.

Cheers,

Janet.

[sparrett]

Here is a death for one of the children listed above for JANE HILLS and father U



 HILLS Chas
Father: Unknown
Mother: Jane HILLS
Age4D
Death Place CARL
Year 1881
Reg  9702


AND
A possibility for another of them, this time with named father!

OBRIEN Arthur Robert
Father: John
Mother: Jane HILL
Age 4M
Sex
Birth Place MELB
Year 1873
Reg 9670

Sue

[jingali]

Wow, thanks all, so fast! And ... interesting! ETA while I have been writing this it has been updated, ta !

In the BIRSA it looks as if Isaac Louis' birth date has been fudged from his 'father U' birth in 1875, to 1877   . ETA In Isaac Louis's marriage announcement he is also born 1877 (m. 1903, aged 26) .
Hmm, no marriage recorded in Vic with Jane, could it be Robert Henry is indeed Charlotte Ann Winzor's husband? I think I have Robert Henry arriving in SA in 1848 with his parents.

Re Janet666's post of children born to 'Henry' Griffiths, I have usually seen him referred to as RH Griffiths, I did once find him as Henry Griffiths, that in Eliza Jane (Jean)'s marriage announcement of 1901. Possibly he went by his middle name. ETA now listed as (Robert) Henry Griffiths.
Could you please tell me where that info is from?

So it seems that Isaac was Jane's second child to father Unknown, but the first, Arthur Robert doesn't get a further mention. Adopted out/ died? ETA so that baby died. It does say Hill rather than Hills but otherwise could fit.
With the third Victorian born child, Charles Hills father Unknown in 1881 I'm not sure this is the same Jane Hills as she has children born in SA in 1879 and 1882 ? If it is her, strange that she puts father unkown. ETA just got the update that this baby died.
I have seen the Index to Royal Women's Hospital Midwifery Book (1856-1876) records for the birth of her sons in 1873 and 1875. I haven't seen the records for the 1881 birth but the earlier records give the number of children the mother has, so that would be an indication.

Will send wimbush1975 a pm, looks like we're rellies - I'm descended from Charles Octavious.

[sparrett]

I should add for your interest that JOHN O'BRIEN and JANE HILL/S have no other events recorded in Victoria in the years immediately preceding and the 2 decades following the death of ARTHUR ROBERT  O'BRIEN.

Sue