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Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« on: Thursday 03 May 12 12:44 BST (UK) »
A number of my ancestors are shown in 1851/61/71 census living at Ratten Row Dearham, yet I can find no other reference to this part of Dearham. Looking along the census pages it's always recorded close too "pit yard" or "Outgang". I have a copy of 1865 OS map which shows the Lonsdale pit next to Outgang farm but no sign of Ratten Row. Many residents were irish, many were hawkers, could this mean it was more of a camp/shanty than stone building, but over 20 years in a camp seems a long time. Any help or knowledge on Ratten Row would be wonderful
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Keenan, McKenzie, Knowles, Berry, Gregg, Hutchinson, Allan, Strickland.

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 May 12 13:50 BST (UK) »

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 May 12 14:02 BST (UK) »
Looking at the neighbouring streets in the census, marking it on an old map and comparing to a modern map, can sometimes narrow down specific streets. You may be able to locate a street or other landmark that still exists today to give you an idea of location. Also you might like to check for a different map on old-maps.co.uk - some maps are clearer and more detailed than others.

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 May 12 14:15 BST (UK) »
Seems like it still exists today.


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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 May 12 15:09 BST (UK) »
The Ratten Row you all found still exists but is about 35 miles from Dearham and is not the Ratten Row Im looking for. Googling Ratten Row gets results in Preston, Norfolk and other places but I cant find any name meaning which might give a clue
The 1865 OS map is extremely detailed showing every stone building right down to wells in gardens
Im grateful for all help, but not solved yet
Keenan, McKenzie, Knowles, Berry, Gregg, Hutchinson, Allan, Strickland.

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 May 12 20:29 BST (UK) »
As I understand it Ratten Row, Rotten Row and other variants simply means Route de Roi or Kings Street, or the Kings Highway, so should be a main road in and out of town.
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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 May 12 00:48 BST (UK) »
Have you checked the enumerator's walk on all of the censuses yet, to see if you can at least narrow down where Ratten Row was located?

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 May 12 09:17 BST (UK) »
Hi

Don't know if this will help but there appears to be a public house close by called the Strugglers Arms or Inn, the pub appears in the 1891 census as well so may be marked on the map

In 1891 Road End, Craigs Road and Pleasant Views? are mention on the same sheet (RG12 piece 4310 folio 18 page 30 )

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Re: Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 May 12 11:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the help everybody, Yes I have followed the enumerators walk which tells mi it's in the pit head, out gang area but never shown on any map. There were probably several hundred people loving at Ratten Row on 1851/61/71 census but no signs of permanent buildings
Thanks for you input Derby girl, the general area would br near the main road into the village
I'm still holding my theory that it was an encampment hence on no maps
I just need some proof
Thanks again for valuable input
Keenan, McKenzie, Knowles, Berry, Gregg, Hutchinson, Allan, Strickland.