1851 Census Lookup Please!

[kpnut]

Hi Monica

Thanks for that.  For some reason I just wasn't thinking of Wright and Joiner as being the same.  How stupid.

My excuse - it's getting late.

Tomorrow I'm going to go through all the messages again and note down everything (and you've found masses and I'm really grateful).

The mystery at the moment is Jane/Jean, and why he would have Mary still listed as who he was married to when he died.

Also, not knowing who to put as Elizabeth's mother - Mary or Jane/Jean.

Anyway, off to bed now, so I'll chat with you tomorrow.

Take care and thanks VERY much once again.

Regards
Karen

[kpnut]

Hi again Monica

Do you know if there is any way of finding out what other children Alexander and Magdalene Dye had other than Thomas?

Also, I find it a bit confusing that if Thomas married Mary in 1828, and she was still showing as his wife when he died (whether or not she was deceased), where Jane/Jean fits into the picture.

Unless of course Thomas was a bigamist LOL.  Blimey don't even go down that route LOL.

Can you remind me again whose children were Alexander 1829, John 1829 and James 1835?

thanks
Karen

[MonicaL]

Can you remind me again whose children were Alexander 1829, John 1829 and James 1835?

These were the FS entries we had:

At last some FS entries!

Alexander 1829 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8M-WTY (died young?)
John 1829 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYZ1-19K...thinking twins with John born next day!
James 1835 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8M-699 (died young, name reused?)

Monica

[MonicaL]

Do you know if there is any way of finding out what other children Alexander and Magdalene Dye had other than Thomas?

Unfortunately, the only children showing in the OPRs for them are the ones we have from earlier:

Helen Dey 1795 - mother Mause Reid https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY98-KYC
Janet Day 1797 - mother Maas Reid https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFV-5BL
Alexander Dey 1799 - mother Mause Reid https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYW2-HW5... likely died young?
Alexander Day 1810 - mother Max Reid https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYVD-Q62

It is one of the issues pre 1855 unfortunately. If you are fortunate enough to find any entries at all in the OPRs, they may not be complete due to lots of gaps in the registers etc.

Have double checked on Scotlands People, the entries showing above on Family Search are the only ones also showing on SP/

Monica

[MonicaL]

Hate to say this  ....I think everything for Thomas is relatively straightforward (as much as these things are really) except regarding:

Where was Elizabeth in 1851 when Thomas was with his parents and two youngest daughters, Margaret and Helen? Up to Helen, we know mother is showing as Mary Gillespie.

Who was her mother, Mary Gillespie or Jane Cruickshanks? Checking the original image for 1851 would show whether Thomas was down as a widower or married, something the a/try transcripts don't include unfortunately.

All to do do with your line Elizabeth. What a pain 

Monica

Added: Just checked on FreeCen www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl for 1851. This shows marital status on the transcripts. Thomas DIEY shows as married in 1851...

[kpnut]

Hi again Monica

Going to list everything down, and maybe put it all into Ancestry to see if I get any other matches.

As you mentioned, Thomas even though listed as married, and with his parents in the 1851 census and two of his children, I am going to try as hard as I can to search for Jane or Mary with daughter Elizabeth in the 1851 census and see what comes up.

Chat later
Karen

[kpnut]

Hi again Monica

On the FreeCEN site, I found on the 1851 census a Janet Dey showing as Head aged 46 living with a Jane Reid listed as her sister aged 30.

Only trouble is that Janet Dey is showing as a Widow (Jane Reid is showing as unmarried).

Not sure if there is a connection, as Jean wouldn't have been a widow as Thomas didn't die until 1891.

I'll plod on with it.

Karen

[jennywren001]

Sorry if this has been flagged up before lots of data in this thread...marriage for Thomas and Jean perhaps?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTPZ-5L4

Does not really help to establish who's Elizabeth's mom is though...
Jen

[kpnut]

Hi Jen

Thanks for that info.  I can't remember if we got around to establishing when Mary Dye (Thomas's first wife) actually died.

Thomas is listed in 1851 census with his parents and two of his children Margaret and Helen + another of his parent's granddaughters Mary Ann.

However, Thomas is shown as married, so if he didn't marry Jane/Jean until 1854 then it's possible that Mary was still alive in 1851.

My great great grandmother Elizabeth was born c1849-1851 (I think nearer the 1849 date), so IT IS "LOOKING" like Mary would be her mother.  Of course it COULD be that Thomas was in fact a Widow in 1851, but mistakenly listed as married.

It's a mystery as to WHERE Elizabeth is in the 1851 census.

I need to try to find Mary Dye's death date really.

Thanks again
Karen