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Offline brigidmac

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Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« on: Friday 19 February 16 07:40 GMT (UK) »
On sidelines of my research I found

Ellis Ratner who  died 1911 cut his sister Caroline out of his will
(*  correction misread date should be 1917 +siter's name Cecelia)

leaving his dentist business to a brother Morris

his estate divided between his father David Ratner

,unmarried sister ,neice

I wondered why Caroline was left out ;internet searches just keep coming up with dresses when i google her name

my browser is not compatible with Family Search I have a hard time with  USA
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 February 16 08:27 GMT (UK) »
I think you mean Cecilia ? I can only find Celia/Cecilia Ratner b about 1885 in Russia.

1910

David Ratner 59
Morris Ratner 30
Allens Ratner 26
Celia Ratner 25
Sarah Ratner 23
Lena Fellman
Tillie Fellman
in Wythe Ave, Brooklyn

Cecilia Ratner m Charles Silk 22 Sep 1912 Bronx, New York

I'm struggling to find an Ellis Ratner died 1911. So far I have only this :

Ellis Ratner b 1883 d 16 Jul 1917 Manhatten.
I would suggest that he didn't leave her anything as she was married and supported by her husband.

Edit : I haven't posted any familysearch links as you say your browser doesn't work with the site.
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 February 16 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello

The census looks to read Allers who is perhaps Ellis.

Both Morris and Allers are dentists so maybe that is why the dental business was left to his brother.

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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 February 16 09:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks  CB +Heywood ;yes i'd misremembered the first name from the strange google result which I can no longer find, but I had noted Cecelia

The date must have been a mistranscription
 ...he left a quarter share to his 14year old niece for her coming of age
  as Tillie Fellman was 2 in 1905   I did wonder at that discrepancy 1917   the

Ellis the dentist did left a  quarter share to his  widowed  sister Lena Fellman
 of204 west one hundred st

and a quarter to Sadie Ratner ....I suppose this is Sarah

 father David Ratner was born in Russia in 1851  he may be the  one who is listed as born 1850 80 yrs in 1930 described as "inmate" Manhatten New york district

Lena Fellman + Matilda T Fellman were living alone in Quenns NY on the 1930 census ; I'm using Mooseroots for my information its quite slow and doesnt show whole census just 1 person at a time
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 February 16 11:22 GMT (UK) »
So are you saying that Cecilia became Mrs Silks?

Do you have info about her?
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 February 16 11:28 GMT (UK) »
only info on her ic CD saying Cecelia ratner married Charles Silk in  Bronx 22nd sept 1912

It does seem strange that she wasnt left any possessions even if she did have a husband to look after her unlike  widowed sister Lena F  and unmarried Sadie Ratner who would have been 30
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 February 16 11:30 GMT (UK) »

Cecilia Ratner m Charles Silk 22 Sep 1912 Bronx, New York


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Here's the 1930 census for the benefit of anyone who is looking , even if the OP can't see it !
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4XG-FPR
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 February 16 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Bit more info on the marriage , giving father's name David mother Tillie :

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2444-K4S
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 19 February 16 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Connecticut Death Index -

Cecelia Silk - 15 July 1885 Non-Western Hemisphere passed away 21 September 1890 Dansbury Connecticut - aged 95 years - widowed -  - father surname Ratner - Spouse Charles.
Last Residence 06482 Sandy Hook, Fairfield, Connecticut


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