HELP PLEASE? Need to find Alice Schofield ASAP?

[Jomot]

A little more detail just in case it helps:

15 Apr 1822 Lily Schofield aged 2 of 19 Henry Street, Leeds, daughter of John W Schofield

Unfortunately there is no further detail on John William's burial at Harehill's two weeks later.

[dobfarm]

Lily Schofield died June qtr 1922 age 2 as likely walking infant (not a baby as such)

Alice Schofield died Sept qtr 1925 aged 40 (buried 13 August 1825 aged 39 ?)

It would suggest they likely both died in St James Hospital address Beckett Street Leeds and buried automatically in the municipal cemetery (any religion)across the road in Beckett street cemetery for poor people.

John William Schofield buried 1922 aged one month old buried Harehills Cemetery section D1 Grave number 588

Florrie Schofied died aged 4 days old buried 17 August 1925 Harehills Cemetery section D1 Grave number 275

It would suggest Florrie and John William both likely died at home, going by the grave numbers, John William grave 588 in 1922 and Florie in grave 275 in 1925 being a earlier grave than John William's being 588, 3 years earlier - it would seem both baby infants likely buried as babies at the foot of an adult grave being a Schofield or a relative or any adult graves in Harehills Cemetery.

[susan57]

Did you mean 1922 Jomot?

[dobfarm]

As we don't do much 20th century ancestry on rootchat as the 100 year rule , its a common typo putting 1800's instead of 1900's 
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Henry St, Leeds city centre 1922  (now pulled down or long gone), John William Schofield husband of Alice (nee Lane) probably moved to High Court, Hunslet area of Leeds by 1925

http://www.leodis.net/searchResults.aspx?LOCID=9999&DECADE=0&YEAR=&KEYWORDS=Henry%20Street&KEYWORDS2=&KEYWORDS3=&ANDOR2=&ANDOR3=&RECSPAGE=5&VIEW=1&CURRPAGE=1

click on 1 or 2 in link for photo of Henry Street

[dawnsh]

Susan

I don't want to add too much to your confusion, but there are still queries as to whether these burials are your relatives.

I can't rationalise why the Florrie we have found, if she was her child, was not buried with her mother but in another cemetery.

I'm also confused (doesn't take much these days) as to why there are burials in consecrated and unconsecrated ground. If this was the same family, wouldn't they be one or the other?

I understand how they possibly ended up in separate places if the authorities took care of things.

I'm going to suggest that you contact Leeds Bereavement Services, I rang on your behalf

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pages/Find-cemeteries-and-crematoria.aspx

email cems.crems@leeds.gov.uk

If you give them the names, dates, cemeteries and plot numbers they may be willing and able to look in the cemetery registers and look for other informtation that hasn't been transcribed. The council should have ledgers with name and address information as to who paid for the burial plots, although they are in a public or common grave, someone still had to pay but not for the exclusive rights to that plot. What has been transcribed and put online appears to be daily lists of burials not ledgers.

[susan57]

This is going to be the death of me and I'll need a plot soon !!! I also wondered why Florrie was not buried with her mother (there were no names either on burial record so where was her father?). They were buried on the same day!!!. Why were 2 children buried at Harehills and first at Beckett St where her mother is buried.
Was the number for Bereavement services 3957446?? I rang there twice but the response is very slow  .

[dobfarm]

Chief Superintendent of Cemeteries & Crematoria, Lawnswood Cemetery, Otley Road, Leeds LS16 6AH (tel. 0113 267 4623 or 0113 267 3188). If you live outside the UK tel. 44 113 267 4623 or 44 113 267 3188

Lawswood cemetery admin office - holds all the records for Leeds Council cemeteries

[dobfarm]

Susan

I don't want to add too much to your confusion, but there are still queries as to whether these burials are your relatives.

I can't rationalise why the Florrie we have found, if she was her child, was not buried with her mother but in another cemetery.

I'm also confused (doesn't take much these days) as to why there are burials in consecrated and unconsecrated ground. If this was the same family, wouldn't they be one or the other?

I understand how they possibly ended up in separate places if the authorities took care of things.

I'm going to suggest that you contact Leeds Bereavement Services, I rang on your behalf

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pages/Find-cemeteries-and-crematoria.aspx

email cems.crems@leeds.gov.uk

If you give them the names, dates, cemeteries and plot numbers they may be willing and able to look in the cemetery registers and look for other informtation that hasn't been transcribed. The council should have ledgers with name and address information as to who paid for the burial plots, although they are in a public or common grave, someone still had to pay but not for the exclusive rights to that plot. What has been transcribed and put online appears to be daily lists of burials not ledgers.

Hi dawnsh

The council municipal pauper sections of a cemetery just buried people as the died, filling one grave , then onto the next in chronological order as they died, being Leeds was a large city, they would fill many graves a day one would think and I not sure if the had consecrated and none consecrated sections.  It was common practice to bury babies at the foot of an existing adult grave and sometimes that deceased adult was not aways related too the parents of the baby in cases of poverty of the parent or parents .

[susan57]

Tried those numbers for Lawnswood dobfarm. They're not recognised?