Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby

[BushInn1746]

Wondering if anything else on this John James of Gray's Inn, Solicitor or Agent, in the Richard Gibson bankruptcy, please?

In 1810 John James 11 Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn was a wine merchant according to Fire Insurance. In 1811 given as a "gent".

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=John%20James%20Grays%20Inn%20place&_ep=John%20James&_dss=range&_sd=1800&_ed=1820&_ro=any

According to Sheila Marriner's article (Aug 1980), John James would have been Richard Gibson's Solicitor or Agent.


Previously we worked out from a reference to his Son who went to school in Gray's Inn, that John James Esq., later became the "Secondary of London" alias "Secondary of the City of London".

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His parents were John James, a solicitor and secondary of the City of London, and his wife Caroline née Combe, niece of ...


Regards Mark

[dobfarm]

Its iffy but?

Say Maudland Hood baptised 1774 born say 1773, and say George Hood who died 1845 was born 1789 to Maudland aged 16 illegitimately in 1789 & could be his mother ? if she was sent to the poor house hospital in Selby in her pregnancy and  recorded in poor house hospital birth records. Father unknown or Charles Turner and George brought up either by John and Jane Hood or Maudland and Charles Turner or both.

Or George born to a Hood single woman who born alien to Selby area but was working in domestic service, sent to the poor hospital in her pregnancy by her employer and George recorded in the poor hospital (Workhouse hospital charity trust) birth records.

[..claire..]

John James doesn't appear in this database ~ but added it for anyone reading to bookmark

http://www.innertemplearchives.org.uk/search.asp

I see a Thomas Hood appears in the register of admissions for Grays Inn.

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029785452#page/n391/mode/2up

claire

[dobfarm]

Maybe nit picking here,

One thinks of a Cooper as a barrel make- full stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_(profession)


It turns out that there was different types, one was a general Cooper (in link under history)

Quote extract:

 ' The "general" cooper worked on ships, on the docks, and in warehouses, and was responsible for cargo while in storage or transit. With a specialized skill, the general cooper could repair a broken stave without losing the contents of a cask.' unquote

Preparation of a barrel long term for storage of the barrel as the charcoal burning or charring the barrel.

http://www.popsci.com/what-happens-in-whiskey-barrel-over-half-century

This would suggest brewing

[..claire..]

So could possibly be away from land then ? Maybe why there is a lack of any sort of record from him

[dobfarm]

So could possibly be away from land then ? Maybe why there is a lack of any sort of record from him

That's one possibility but from where - Gateshead ? America, India, London

Probably paid off after each voyage, have cash in his pocket and hears about the bankrupt cooper business gone bust with just a yard to rent after docking.

He would have his own tools, if R Gibson business shop tools were sold off at auction (business over) then it would only be the renting the yard needed for George Hood a cooper to start up his own business.

[BushInn1746]

John James doesn't appear in this database ~ but added it for anyone reading to bookmark

http://www.innertemplearchives.org.uk/search.asp

I see a Thomas Hood appears in the register of admissions for Grays Inn.

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029785452#page/n391/mode/2up

claire

Thanks Claire

Thomas Hood in 1771, is on page 387.

Also got the 1794 & 1799 Articles of another Thomas Hood of Newcastle upon Tyne, under a Solicitor at Gray's Inn and a government dept.

One Master Solicitor was called Dobson.

Regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_(profession)


It turns out that there was different types, one was a general Cooper (in link under history)

Quote extract:

 ' The "general" cooper worked on ships, on the docks, and in warehouses, and was responsible for cargo while in storage or transit. With a specialized skill, the general cooper could repair a broken stave without losing the contents of a cask.' unquote

Preparation of a barrel long term for storage of the barrel as the charcoal burning or charring the barrel.

http://www.popsci.com/what-happens-in-whiskey-barrel-over-half-century

This would suggest brewing

Hello dobfarm

Thank you.

Think we touched on the Ports & the Navy /Army requiring Coopers before.

The Navy and the Army, docks, food supplies (especially meat), Brewers of Ale and Distillers of Malt and Spirits, would employ Coopers and Apprentice Cooper/s.

Navy records of Ratings and the lower Ranks for this period, are by H.M. Ship and currently you either have to know the H.M. Ship/s they belonged to, or search every vessel in the Royal Navy.

Only ancestors on H.M. Ships involved in the Battle of Trafalgar are listed on TNA, Battle of Trafalgar Ancestors database.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/advanced_search.asp

I understand meat was heavily salted and sealed into barrels for voyages too, this is probably how the tin was invented, some bright spark probably thought, if we could seal food into tins, we could preserve it and open it when required.

A Cooper would be onboard too and his job was to repair barrels (after heavy seas, or if they broke loose) and apparently do barrel checks too.

They possibly assisted with emergency ship repairs and caulking joints too.

Regards Mark

[dobfarm]

On Ships, Docks and Warehouses

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Noted a Thomas Shepley (Shipley) a brewer in Selby Jan 1807 went bankrupt same year as R Gibson 1807, this follow on  effect if Gibson lost a contract with this bankrupt brewer or was owed money from T Shepley and was a reason Gibson went bust also..