Desperately seeking what happened to Harriet Farrand

[TinaRoyal]

Harriet Farrand, a relative of mine, was born in Wood Street, Manchester, (just off Deansgate), in the December Quarter of 1866 to a “boarder”, Catherine Murphy and my Great-Grandfather, James Farrand.

I have no evidence that Catherine and James ever got married, but Harriet did get married on 24th March 1886 to 22 year old John William Roberts at St. Mary’s Church, (again just off Deansgate), under the name of Harriet Farrand.  After that Harriet seems to “disappear off the face of the earth”.

Tradition has it that Harriet died around 1905 in Salford, but I cannot support this.

Can anyone help me find Harriet on the 1891 Census or the 1901 Census?  What happened to Harriet and John, where did they live, did Harriet die in Salford, if so where is she buried?

[Milliepede]

Birth registered as Murphy?  How do you know who her father was - is he named on the birth certificate and does she name James as her father when she marries? **

** I see the marriage.  One of the witnesses is a John Farrand - any idea who he was?

[Milliepede]

Looking for Roberts/Farrand births there is an

Eva Roberts born D 1895 Rotherham
Willie Farrand Roberts born J 1898 Rotherham

which may or may not be relevant to your family

[Milliepede]

There's a Harriet Roberts death in J 1904 Salford age 35.

[Milliepede]

Is this the right family in 1871 - address Wood Street which I think it reads on her marriage

James Farrand 50 widower born Salford
Eliza 12 daughter

then 3 children transcribed as Williams but I think William is just a second name for the first child

Frederick William 10 son
John 6 son
Harriet 3 daughter

[hol]

Hello
Family in 61 transcribed as Herald
James 1821 widower
Sarah ann b 1846
James b1849
Eliza b 1858
Frederick b1861
Catherine Murphy widow 1833 ireland
Mary Ann Murphy grandaughter 1852
Wood st
Lee

[TinaRoyal]

There is no father named on Harriet’s Birth Certificate, but James Farrand is named as her father on Harriet’s Marriage Certificate.  John Farrand was Harriet’s older brother.

Yes Milliepede, you have the right family on the 1871 Census, 39 Wood Street.  Frederick is Frederick William and all the children, except Eliza on the Census, were born to Catherine Murphy.  But they “assumed” the name Farrand.  James was hardly likely to say to the Enumerator, “I am James, and these are my three illegitimate children, Frederick William, John and Harriet”. 

[TinaRoyal]

Hol, your list is a transcription of the 1861 Census for 39 Wood Street, what do the numbers next to Sarah Ann, Eliza, James and Frederick signify?

[hol]

Hello
They are the years they were born in too lazy to put 18 in ,done it now.. correct family though James is a poultry dealer.
Lee