The elusive Michael Lee

[heywood]

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1861 4077/86/31

Catherine Casey 24 yrs b Ireland
Michael Casey 1 month b Maesteg
Thomas Casey 1 month b Maesteg

Are visitors to the Lynch family Bridgend.

These children are registered in Bridgend with mmn Colbert.

I can’t see a death though for Michael Casey.

Looking at Robert and Catarina Holmes in 1871 census - linked earlier there is a child Mary Ann Holmes 2 yrs.

There is a Bridgend birth for M A H with mother Colbert.

I haven’t verified them by looking elsewhere and must stress this. I would not want you to go down the wrong path although the Holmes family are minor characters in your search as Thomas was the informant on deaths.

[osprey]

another marriage registered at Crickhowell
William Kelly june qtr 1884 vol 11b pg 167 with Jane Holmes on the same page

 1881 census more than likely says Jane, in my defence, the writing isn't clear. 

 

[pomp]

another marriage registered at Crickhowell
William Kelly june qtr 1884 vol 11b pg 167 with Jane Holmes on the same page

 1881 census more than likely says Jane, in my defence, the writing isn't clear. 

 

Thanks Osprey - sorry about being off the pace this week: schools are manic this time of year.

David

[pomp]

Just to say that I have found the Catherine Shea birth

June 1863 Bedwelty

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherino Shee mmn Lee

So I would say that Catherine Leahy, daughter of Timothy and Mary,  married John Shea and children have mmn Lee. This at least ties with Michael Leahy/Lee name.

Still a bit lost with the Holmes situation but have a sequence in my head which would be Catherine Shea being the partner of Thomas Holmes but not the evidence through children’s births 

The problem is that Catherine Holmes senior (1881) could fit with Catherine Leahy Shea re age and place of  birth but all this has nothing to support it.

I am sorry that this is difficult to follow. I digressed with the Shea- John and Michael and have tried to modify those posts.

Following through your logic, I've also looked in the GRO index and its has:

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherine Shee mmn Leary

Just to add to the frequent name changes   

[pomp]

I've caught up - talk about convoluted!

Are these frequent name changes or mis-transcribing of names a common occurrence for these times. Or are they connected with the immigration of the Irish into Wales (probably following the potato famine) and the families changing their names to be less Irish and more appropriate locally?

We have:

Leahy, Lehay, Leiay, Leary, Lee, Seaby
Holmes and Casey (might these have been change of partner related)
Shea and Shee

I like the logic:

Timothy Leahy (Seaby) (b. 1819, d.1883) married Mary
Children Catherine (b. 1841 Ireland), John, Michael, Ellen and Mary

John Shea married Catherine (mmn Leary) (changed names to Leahy)
Children: Catherine (b. 1863-65 Tred), Frances, Timothy, Mary

Catherine married Thomas Holmes 

Thomas Holmes Grandson-in-law to Timothy Leahy in 1883

I hope I have got that right from my readings

David

[osprey]

Seaby is a mistranscription. If you check the copy of the census, it starts with L not an S and is more than likely Leahy.

Names were often recorded as they sounded by registrars or clergy so variations of Leahy ensue.

[heywood]

Just to say that I have found the Catherine Shea birth

June 1863 Bedwelty

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherino Shee mmn Lee

Following through your logic, I've also looked in the GRO index and its has:

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherine Shee mmn Leary

Just to add to the frequent name changes   

Hello,
You must be looking at the wrong one  This is the one I see and refer to.
Note that the first name, as mentioned above, is transcribed as Catherino

Bedwellty 1863  June quarter volume 11a Page 104

Catherino Shee mmn Lee

Heywood   

 

[pomp]

Just to say that I have found the Catherine Shea birth

June 1863 Bedwelty

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherino Shee mmn Lee

Following through your logic, I've also looked in the GRO index and its has:

Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherine Shee mmn Leary

Just to add to the frequent name changes   

Hello,
You must be looking at the wrong one  This is the one I see and refer to.
Note that the first name, as mentioned above, is transcribed as Catherino

Bedwellty 1863  June quarter volume 11a Page 104

Catherino Shee mmn Lee

Heywood   

Ha that's me trumped 

[pomp]

The Lee, Leahy family

Press cutting
Suicide at Georgetown by hanging
Former Council Employee
Michael Lee, 67, 4 years unable to work
11 Whiterow

Birth certificate
Phyllis Jones
Born 18 Oct 1911
Abercarn
Father: Spencer Jones / Tin plate worker
Mother: Mary Ann Jones formerly Lee

11 Islwyn street Abercarn1911 Census
4 White Row, b. Merthyr
Michael Lee, 64, b. Cork, lab out of work
Hannah, 51, Pontypool
Children: Nelly, Nellie
Married 16 years, 2 children born, 2 alive

1901 Census
10, White Row, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Michal Lee Head Married Male 50 1851 Monmouthshire, Labourer Iron Works
Hannah Lee Wife Married Female 40 1861Pontypool,
Ellen Lee Daughter Single Female 1 1900 Merthyr

1893 Bedwelty
Mary Lee death
Register of death
Died 2 Sep 1893, Back of Iron Row Tredegar
62, Widow of Timothy Lee a gen lab, senile decay
Informant: Thomas Holmes Grandson 28 Back of Iron Row Tredegar

1891 4356/6/10
George Street Tredegar
Mary Leigh 60 yrs b Cork


1891 4353/10/14
8 Globe Pit Row, Bedwelty,  Monmouth (shared house)
Michael Lee, wid, 40, b. 1851, Tredegar, Millwright in forge (I think)
William, son, 19, b. 1872, Tredegar
John, son, 13, b. 1878, Blaina
Margaret, dau, b. 1881, Blaina

and
Hd Spencer Jones, 24, Tinworker, b. Pontypool
Wife Mary Ann Jones, 24, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Ann Jones, 1, b. Blaina

1883 Death Record Bedwelty 11A/59
Register of death
Died 13 Jul 1883 Carpenters yard Tredegar
Timothy Leahy, 55, Lab, chronic bronchitis / pneumonia
Informant: Thomas Holmes Grandson in law

1881 5240/118/53
Pit Row, Aberystruth, Bedwelty,  Monmouth
Michael Lay, 32, (b. 1849), Cinder Filler, Cork
Margaret Lay, 29, (b. 1852), Cork
Mary Ann, dau, b. 1870, Blaina, Monm
Rachel, son, b. 1874, Tredegar, Monm
William, son, b. 1876, Tredegar, Monm

1881 5243/5/4
Timothy Leialy, 66, b. 1815, Blast furnace lab, Ireland
Mary Leialy, 66, b. 1815, Ireland
Carpenters Yard Tredegar 
* in same area as Pond Row and George Street

1979 Death Reg
Mar Q age 0
Timothy Ley

1878 Birth record
Dec Q, 11a/119
Timothy Ley mother’s maiden name Gibbon

1871 5319/40/21
Duke Street Tredegar
Timothy Lehay, 51, Ireland
Mary Lehay, 50, Ireland
With daughter Ellen Fling, 19, Ireland

1870 Birth certificate (20 Sept 1870)
Mary Ann Lee
Father Michael Lee, cinder filler
Mother Margaret Lee (formerly Gibbon)
Address: Pond Row Tredegar

1870 Marriage Cert (17 Sept 1870)
Michael Lee, 23 (b. 1847), Lab, Blaina, Father Timothy Lee, Lab
Margaret Gibbon, 19, Tredegar, Father William Gibbon, Lab
Witnesses: Patrick Allen, Martha Allen

Birth Record
June 1863 Bedwelty
Catherine Shee. On GRO she is Catherino Shee mmn Lee


1861 3998/40/15
24 Duke Street Tredegar (mis-transcribed Seaby)
Timothy Leahy, 42, b.1819, Lab iron works, Ireland
Mary, wife, 39, b.1822, Ireland
Catherine, 20, b.1841, Ireland
John, 16, b. 1845, haulier, Ireland
Michael, 13, b. 1848, haulier, Ireland
Ellen, 10, b. 1851, Ireland
Mary, 4, b. 1857, Tredegar
Ann Carney lodger

1856 Birth Reg
Mary Leary, b. 16 Oct 1856, Bedwelty
Parents: Timothy Leary, Forge Lab / Mother Mary Leary (formerly Forrest)
Residence: Iron St, Tredegar

Baptism St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
Hannah, 4 May 1852, (in index but can’t find record)
Ellen, 1 Sep 1849 (in index but can’t find record)
John Leahy, 23 Mar 1844
Catherine Leahy, 5 Jun 1840
Parents: Timothy and Mary Leahy
Residence: Ballinamought / Ballinamucht

Marriage record St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
12 February 1839, Timothy Leahy, Mary Forest
Witnesses: Hannah Sullivan, John Sigmniond (unclea)





Holmes family
(Connected to Leahy as Thomas Homes Grandson / Grandson-in-law to Timothy and Mary Leahy)

1901 6 Back Iron Row, Tredegar RG13/4937 folio 33 pg 16
Thomas Holmes head mar 40 coke ovens labourer
Catherine wife 39
Mary dau 15
Elizabeth dau 13
Maggie dau 5
Thomas son 8
John son 3
all born Tredegar

1891 4355/42/42
32 Iron Row
William Kelly 26 yrs
Jane Kelly   21 yrs
Mary Ann Kelly   2 yrs
Catherine Holmer 50 yrs
Elizabeth Kelly 16 yrs
Catherine and Elizabeth are both Holmes on census

1881 18 Iron Row RG11/5242 folio 26 pg 4
Catherine Holmes widow 40 b. Ireland, Cork
Thomas son 18 iron baller
Anne (?) dau 14 (or poss Jane)
Mary dau 12
William son 9
children all born Tredegar

1871 5425/11/16
John St, Llangonoyd, Neath
Robert Holmes, 40, b.1831, Devon
Catarina, 30, b.1841, Ireland
Thomas, 11 b.1860, Maesteg
Jane, 4 b.1867, Glam
Mary Ann, 2 b. 1869, Glam


Shea familly

1891 4355/41/39
Tim Shea is lodging with an O’Toole family at 19 Iron Row.
He dies in 1896

Workhouse Tredegar 5248/111/5 (possible)
John Shea, pauper, 40, Wid, puddler, Tredegar
Mary Shea, pauper, 9, Tredegar

1871 5399/86/46
Morgan Lane, Tredegar
John Shea, 62 b.1809, Ireland
Ellen, wife, 40 b.1831, Ireland
Ellen, 14 b.1857, Hampshire
Elizabeth, 13 b.1858, Hampshire


1861 Marriage Record
John Shea and Catherine Leahy