Mary J Carpenter

[Mariel Mariel]

I can see Mary Josephine CARPENTER, Tenterfield Street Deepwater on the various rolls  up to and including the 1949 roll.

JM

Thanks JM. I think this Mary J is Mary Josephine (Byrne) Carpenter who married MY Mary J's brother Thomas Carpenter in 1906.

[Jennaya]

"..Family records have Mary still in Uralla in 1905 but then she disappeared".

What are these records?  How is Mary identified to be in Uralla?

Records = Stories passed down from generation to generation…. I have all the info and docs I need on the rest of the family; both parents and all other siblings.I have Mary's birth certificate but cant find a marriage or death certificate. Family say she ran away.
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Was Mary mentioned on her father's death certificate?

Regards
Jennaya

[sparrett]

Hi,
I am just harking back to wivenhoe's comment about Sarah's death certificate.

It seems to me likely that Phoebe FRASER, (nee CARPENTER) who was the woman referred to in the obituary, was the person who informed for the making out of the certificate.
You will of course know if this is the case or if it was another.
As the eldest in the family, she would have had a good perspective on events and in completing the certificate details, would have been asked whether each sibling is living or deceased.

What was her reply in the case of Mary?

Sue

Are you able to answer this question?
Quoting from the death certificate?

Sue

[Robert Coble]

Mariel Mariel
I don't know if this will help you I was looking at birth under Mary J Carpenter as a mother only on the following birth's hope this might help

 CARPENTER VIOLET L L
27044/1906
MARY
NOWRA

 CARPENTER Stella
8326/1913
Mary Jane
Shoalhaven

 CARPENTER MARGARET P
47375/1917
MARY J
NOWRA

[majm]

Excellent questions from Robert 

May I add a further question please     From Mary's own birth certificate, what does the 'J' stand for?



JM

[Mariel Mariel]

Excellent questions from Robert 

May I add a further question please     From Mary's own birth certificate, what does the 'J' stand for?



JM

Birth cert only has Mary J. I suspect it would be Jane as this was her paternal grandmothers name.

[Jennaya]

Was she mentioned on the death certificates of either parent?

Regards
Jennaya

[majm]

Hi, 

May I please add to Jennaya’s and Sue’s and Wivenhoe’s questions about Job and Sarah CARPENTER’s death certificates and how Mary is noted on those records.    I think those questions are far and away more important than my additional question, so please address theirs first, and only address mine once you have some spare moments.   

You mentioned earlier that you have all the info for Mary J Carpenter’s siblings … so can you please look at each of her younger siblings birth certificates to confirm how she is recorded on each one….  Particularly if her second name is given…
1901, Inverell, Selby # 13467
1899, Inverell, Dolly #31189
1897, Inverell, Ruby #12973
1895, Uralla, Albert, #8236
1892, Armidale, Arthur, #4404
1890, Uralla, Pearl, #34646

I have not found the family in Uralla in 1905 but I have found them perhaps 100 miles or more north of Uralla as per the Sands directory  - I posted the info earlier, Job, on the Bonanza Farm. 

Can you have a ‘forensic’ study on Mary’s birth certificate please,  are you sure that in the section for her name that it has ‘J’ … could it be an ink bleed or spill or perhaps it is the letter ‘I’ rather than ‘J’ …   The heading for that column will read : Name and whether present or not.   It is very unusual for an initial to be included in that column in that era.  The online index does not include any initial for her birth registration .   

JM

[Mariel Mariel]

Can you have a ‘forensic’ study on Mary’s birth certificate please,  are you sure that in the section for her name that it has ‘J’ … could it be an ink bleed or spill or perhaps it is the letter ‘I’ rather than ‘J’ …   The heading for that column will read : Name and whether present or not.   It is very unusual for an initial to be included in that column in that era.  The online index does not include any initial for her birth registration .   

JM

I don’t have full birth certificates only record numbers from BDM NSW.