LORD VAUGHAN FAMILY history mystery

[imison]

I wonder if someone could helpo me find my Vaughan ancestors.

I know that in the 19th century one of my forebears was cut off without a shilling when he married a girl without his family's consent.  The family was VAUGHAN.

I do not know WHICH Vaughan it was.  I know that the family were lords and Vaughan their name.  However it is possible that MORRIS was the family name, as the young man and woman took the name MORRIS when they married.

They then had a DAUGHTER by the name of EMMA LOUISE MORRIS, my great-grandmother.

My great-grandmother married a WILLIAM LANE.

They were living in London in the late 1880s but I find nothing in the censuses about them.

Their 4 children included a son HENRY ALFRED CHARLES LANE who died at sea in the First World War, and is commemorated at Chatham.

The address there was given as TALFOURD ROAD PECKHAM in 1915.

If anyone could help me with these searches I would be most grateful.

I can find little about the family as they do not appear in the 1901 census that I can see.

IMISON

[Tati]

Hi Imison,

You have psoted this in the Breconshire Look-up offers.
Is this family supposed to have been in Breconshire at some point?

Tanja 

[piedstilt]

Hi Imison,

I do love a good mystery and have to confess I'm feeling a bit pleased with myself for making a little bit of progress on this one.

Here's what I've found:

1891

86 Smyrks (?) Rd, Newington St Mary, London

Lane, William H, abt 1870   Brixton, London, Head, Civil Service, telegraphist
Lane, Emma L   abt 1866   Woolwich, Kent, Wife
Lane, Alice E   abt 1888   Southwark, London, Daughter
Lane, Henry A C   abt 1890   Camberwell, London, Son    

MARRIAGE REF
September q. 1887, Lambeth, Greater London 1d/648
LANE, William Henry
MORRIS, Emma Louisa


1881
Cedars Road 7 Cedar Terrace, West Ham, Essex

Henry Lane   abt 1844    Ridelworth, Norfolk, Head, carpenter
Grace Lane   abt 1845    Truro, Cornwall, Wife
William H. Lane   abt 1870    Brixton, Surrey, Son
Alfred F. Lane   abt 1872    Kentish Town, Middlesex, Son
Charles S. Lane   abt 1875    Forest Gate, Essex, Son


1871
Russell Grove, Lambeth, London

Henry Lane   abt 1844    Keddlesworth, Norfolk, Head, Carpenter
Grace Lane   abt 1844    Truro, Cornwall, Wife
William H Lane   abt 1870    Lambeth, Surrey, Son

These people appear to live in the same house - and there may be a connection (ie Truro)

William Saunders   abt 1820    Dumbarton, Scotland   Head
Elizabeth Saunders   abt 1816    Surrey, Wife
Elizabeth Saunders   abt 1841    St Georges, Surrey, Daughter
Ellen Saunders   abt 1843    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter
Fanny Saunders   abt 1847    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter
William Saunders   abt 1849    Truro, Cornwall
Mary Ann Saunders   abt 1851    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter


And here it is!

MARRIAGE
June q. 1868, Lambeth, Greater London, 1d/352

LANE, Henry
SAUNDERS, Grace

1861

7 Burgate St, Canterbury St Mary Magdalene    Kent

William Saunders   abt 1820    Stonehouse, Devon, Head , printer compositor
Elizabeth Saunders   abt 1816    Truro, Cornwall, Wife    
Elizabeth A Saunders   abt 1840    Southwark, Surrey, Daughter, dressmaker
Ellen Sanders   abt 1843    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter , tailoress
Grace Saunders   abt 1844    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter, dressmaker
Fanny Saunders   abt 1847    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter
William Saunders   abt 1849    Truro, Cornwall, Son
Mary A Saunders   abt 1851    Truro, Cornwall, Daughter

Great frustration, however, that I cannot find any members of the family in 1901, nor Emma Morris/Lane in any other census. With luck, though, her marriage cert should give you the name of her father at least.

Do let me know how you get on - I've become quite involved in them all!

Cheers,

Ros

[imison]

Dear Ros
Thank you so much for finding SO MANY of my great-grandparents' family - my mother is speechless and we both wish to thank you so much.

Coincidentally, her brother [sadly now dead] emigrated to New Zealand in the 1950s as I see that you are based in Christchurch.

Talk about a small world!

The mystery does indeed thicken as I now need to search the Devon and Cornwall books.

My mother can add a snippet or two of information:

WILLIAM HENRY LANE who married EMMA LOUISE/LOUISA [she thought it is with an 'e' although the marriage certificate says LOUISA, so she's interested to know this]
was left at the age of about 12 years old to support his 2 brothers [and a sister ?] because his father died after a road accident, and he had to support his widowed mother and siblings.

He went to work in the POST OFFICE so the fact that he is shown as a telegraphist ties in perfectly.

My mother also refers to the fact that her grandmother always liked to move from home to home in rented accommodation, and I wondered if this might just possibly explain why they are not shown in the 1901 census.

She does not think that they were in Scotland, although in view of the Scottish forebear maybe it is not too far fetched to consider a Scottish holiday?

Do you know WHEN in the year the 1901 census was done?

Again, so many thanks to you for all your research - I have been trying in vain for 2 years and now you have found them in hours.
Thank you.

IMISON

[piedstilt]

Hi Imison,

I'm delighted to help - and pleased to be vaguely on track. Isn't the internet a wonderful thing!

To answer your census question:

'The 1901 Census for England was taken on the night of 31 March 1901. The following information was requested: Name of street, avenue road, etc.; house number or name; whether or not the house was inhabited; number of rooms occupied if less than five; name of each person that had spent the night in that household; relationship of person enumerated to the head of the family; each person's marital status; age at last birthday (sex is indicated by which column the age is recorded in); each person's occupation; whether they are employer or employee or neither; person's place of birth; whether deaf, dumb, blind, or lunatic.'

I don't think the rented accommodation thing would mean that people didn't turn up in the census. It is possible the name was transcribed very badly (which often happens) but I tried all the members of the family with all possible variations.

Another thought. Did you notice that  William Saunders said he was from Scotland in 1871, but in 1861 (presuming this is the same person) he says he was born in Stonehouse, Devon. I'll go back and take another look to see what his occupation was in 1871 (I didn't take them too seriously at the time).

Emma's marriage cert, as I have said, will give the name and occupation of her father (and confirm Wm Lane's details - I trust!).

Someone earlier questioned why you had posted in the Breconshire board. Were the Vaughans/Morrises Welsh? With all the censuses I tried to find a Morris born in Wales, but it was all a bit too vague ...

Can I presume that your grandfather was Henry Alfred Charles? That's how I found them, actually. On Ancestry I put in a search for Henry A C Lane and just one came up. You can imagine how pleased I was when his parents turned out to be William and Emma L.!

Do let me know how you get on.

Ros

PS Nice to have a NZ connection!

[piedstilt]

Yes, in 1871 Wm Saunders is a compositor; all the daughters are 'fancy workers' and William is a decorator.

It is now VERY LATE here, so I'm off to bed.

All the best,

Ros

[imison]

Dear Ros

I am so grateful to you for all your hard work - don't forget to ask me if there is anything I can look out for you!

I have continued searching, and, like you, find it strange about the DUMBARTON Scotland reference, as it seems strange to have the same person and family but with 2 different birthplaces.  Clearly there has been a mistake.

Best wishes and many thanks

IMISON

[imison]

I have already written in the Breconshire board because I believed that that was where one of the LORD VAUGHAN families of Wales lived.  However, I do not know where the other reside.

It is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

However, Ros was brilliant and found several missing family members from the description.

Would it be possible please, Moderator, to join the Breconshire posts with a general Wales one?

Thank you very much

IMISON

Moderator Comment: Original "Breconshire" posting now merged here

[goggy]

imison, 'Google' on down to "mansel 02',might give you a booster.
           Best of luck,Goggy.