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Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« on: Saturday 16 July 22 13:25 BST (UK) »
I came across this notice in The Kentish Post newspaper, 11 Oct 1746, and was curious if there's any historical information on Pysons around that period.

To be SOLD
All that FARM at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet, consisting of a Dwelling House, Barn, Stable, Orchard, and Forty one Acres of Arable Land, more or less, with the Appurtenances, in the Occupation of Mr. George Norton, or his Assigns.
Enquire of Mr. Vincent Underdown at Dover, Mr Henry Brown at the Downs at Word, or of Mr. James Fagg. Attorney at Ramsgate.


When it says "in the Occupation of George Norton", would George have managed the land for the landowner?

Also would Pysons (circa 1700s) be roughly around the same location as the old Ramsgate Municipal Airport (1935-68)?
https://www.facebook.com/1474770072811284/posts/hidden-away-on-the-pysons-road-industrial-estate-land-used-to-be-an-amazing-airp/1691121971176092/
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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 July 22 13:59 BST (UK) »
  The tithe schedule (about 100 years later) for St Lawrence includes what appears to be a small farm of 36 acres called Poisons, which was probably pronounced Pysons. Without access to the tithe map or more local knowledge, I can't tell where it was.
   
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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 July 22 14:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Top-of-the-hill,
Is there a link to the Title Schedule?
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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 July 22 14:45 BST (UK) »
  Not much good at links, but just type in Kent Tithe Schedule and you should find it. I use the Ted Connell one, but that is because I am used to it. St Lawrence is listed under Ramsgate
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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 July 22 15:45 BST (UK) »
Found the one transcribed byTed Connell and a slightly earlier one from 1843 owned by Archbishop of Canterbury & Gilbert Bedford Lessee.

https://tedconnell.org.uk/LFH/MAP/RAML/02.htm
https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/research/tithes/ramsgate-st-lawrence

Not sure if it's the same. The one in occupation of George Norton being in 1746 named Pysons is the same spelling as the road here:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pysons+Road+Industrial+Estate/@51.35323,1.4106488,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d9535c7cd9abd7:0xcd791c2fe795f845!8m2!3d51.3554687!4d1.4106595
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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 July 22 16:33 BST (UK) »
Poll for the Knights of the Shire to represent Kent. Taken at Maidstone Wednesday and Thursday, the 15th and 16th May 1734

Places of abode - Ramsgate George Norton
Freehold - St Lawrence

Poll for the Knights of the Shire to represent Kent. Taken at Maidstone on Wednesday and Thursday 1st and 2nd May 1754
Freeholder's abode - St Lawrence George Norton
Freeholds - St Lawrence
Of what consisting - h(ouse) and l(and)
Occupier - John Duke 

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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 July 22 00:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks, hanes teulu,

The land George Norton owned and mentioned in Poll for the Knights of the Shire was referred to, as an area called Robsack.

George mentions the property called Robsack in his 1765 Will and with long-term tenant John Duke as the occupier.

Attorney of Ramsgate, John Fagg also mentions this same piece of land (Robsack) in his Will after it was sold to him by George's grandson, in which John Fagg then Wills to Sarah Norton.

Robsack was described at being not far from the Spread Eagle (pub), which was on High St, Ramsgate.

The FARM at Pysons mentioned in the Kentish Post newspaper notice, 11 Oct 1746, refers says "in the occupation of George Norton or his Assigns",

Would this mean George didn't own the Farm at Pysons since it didn't say something like "belonging to, or owned"?


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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 July 22 18:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the update.
The only "Pysons" I could spot was "Pysons Wyshe" in Telton, Sussex

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Re: Farm at Pysons in the Parish of St Laurence in Thanet
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 July 22 20:07 BST (UK) »
  I would assume that "in the occupation of" means he was a tenant, but I am not an expert!
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