Children of John Hillary and Sarah Raymert

[ASmithy]

I have hit a brick wall.

I need to find the children of John Hillary and Sarah Raymert, please.

I can see that a few 'Trees' on Ancestry are showing multiple children, however, none of these are very well sourced. Some have children born in Ireland or Scotland, others in York whilst my ancestor was born in Newcastle. It just looks very confusing and I do not feel they are the right families as they do not have sources to support the claim.

I got to these people from the Christening record of Edmund Hillary who was baptized on 6 September 1809 in Newcastle.

Some of the names on other user trees are Edmund (1809 Newscastle), William (1814 Unknown), John (1816 Ireland), James (1817 York), Thomas (1819 York), and Christopher (1822 Unknown).
They also have a marriage between John and Sarah which I am unsure is correct as it is in 1808 Prestbury, Cheshire.

[Tickettyboo]

Is this the baptism you have?

From the Bishop's Transcripts available to view on Family Search (you need to be signed in to search and view but an account is free to register)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6G1W-F5Y?

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[ASmithy]

I never saw that record however it is the baptism I have for Edmund!

Unfortunately I cannot seem to find anything else for the other children.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

[Tickettyboo]

That baptism record for Edmund says his father was a private in 6th Dragoon Guards and he was a native of Middleham, Yorkshire.

His discharge to pension record is available on FindMyPast and also Fold 3. He served from Jul 1804 to Jul 1815 so its entirely possible that any children born during that time could have been born in England, Ireland or Scotland.

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[Tickettyboo]

John's pension record is on Fold 3 and says his trade was that of cooper

Which ticks all the boxes for this to be their marriage record from Prestbury Parish on Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-63V9-L5G?i=616&cc=1614792


There is a book available on archive.org
Historical record of the Sixth Regiment of Dragoon Guards
Search for the title and then you can view the book online (or download it as a pdf if you wish)
Online if you start at image 118 of the book you can see the movement of the troops for the period John served - not sure how specific that is - if it included the whole regiment or just part of the strength.

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[trish1120]

Also on that bapt;
1st son. Father, Native of Middleham, Yorkshire, by his wife, daughter of James RAYMENT, Cambridgeshire.

With regard to Christopher, he married 1854 Hook, Yorkshire, to Rachel Corbett.
His Father was John a Cooper ***.
Christopher a Mariner.
He died a couple of years later.

Welcome to Rootschat A Smithy

[AlanBoyd]

A complement to reply #3, here are contemporary newspaper accounts of their movements. Same uncertainty about individual units applies, but the sequence of events matches well with the births.

Added: according to the pension record at Fold 3 he was discharged at the end of July 1815, so these records don’t help with the births in Yorkshire. Oh well…

The four troops of the 6th dragoon guards, lately quartered at Newcastle, are on their march to Edinburgh.

Caledonian Mercury 14th May 1810

Tuesday morning, four troops of the 6th dragoon guards marched for Hamilton barracks. – They had for some time been stationed in Glasgow where their behaviour was such as became the character of good soldiers.

Perthshire Courier 1st April 1813

Newry, April 9. Three troops of the 6th Dragoon Guards have been landed at Donaghadee from Portpatrick,and passed through this town on their way to Dundalk. They have more of the soldierly and warlike appearance than any we have seen here since the Cambridge Light Dragoons. Their horses seem to be well chosen for the service, and the men and accoutrements conformable; they wear the old Roman helmet, which has a daring and military appearance, and the construction of which surpasses all the modern helmets, for ancient elegance and modern safety.

Saunders's News-letter 23rd April 1813

The 6th Dragoon Guards (or Enniskillens) have arrived at Liverpool from Dublin, about 300 strong.

Star (London) 26th May 1814

The following are the regiments quartered in Ireland:– [list includes] 6th dragoon guards

Caledonian Mercury 14th January 1815

The 6th Dragoon Guards has replaced the 9th in the garrison of Dublin.

Morning Herald (London) 12th May 1815

The 2nd and 6th Dragoon Guards, and the 3rd Dragoons, are ordered to Belgium.

Cheltenham Chronicle 27th July 1815

The 6th Dragoon Guards are ordered from Ireland to North Britain

Sun (London) 3rd August 1815

6th Dragoon Guards, in Scotland, notwithstanding their being in daily expectation of a route for York will, we have reason to believe, remain in the quarters they now occupy at Piershill and Hamilton Cavalry Barracks, at least for some time to come.

Military Register 10th April 1816

Saturday week a party of excise officers, aided by a detachment of the 6th dragoon guards, destroyed a most extensive private distillery carried on in a wood in the neighbourhood of Glasgow; so large was the work, that coolers were used for cooling the worts, and the mash tun equal to that of an ordinary common brewer. A considerable quantity of spirits were on hand the preceding evening, but had been removed before the officers got forward.

Saint James's Chronicle 11th July 1816

Thursday and Friday last four troops of the 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabineers) marched from Piershill Barracks, on their route for York, by Berwick, &c. The Scotch Greys, who are to replace them at Piershill Barracks, passed through London yesterday morning, on their way from Canterbury for that destination.

Morning Herald (London) 3rd July 1817[/list]

[ASmithy]

Other makes sense then, would Sarah have travelled with them then?

What do you think the chances are of finding the locations of birth/baptism record for the other children?

Thank you for piecing together and finding all this information.

I’ll have a look again and write back if I have anymore questions if possible?

That baptism record for Edmund says his father was a private in 6th Dragoon Guards and he was a native of Middleham, Yorkshire.

His discharge to pension record is available on FindMyPast and also Fold 3. He served from Jul 1804 to Jul 1815 so its entirely possible that any children born during that time could have been born in England, Ireland or Scotland.

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[ASmithy]

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this. It has helped hugely.

A complement to reply #3, here are contemporary newspaper accounts of their movements. Same uncertainty about individual units applies, but the sequence of events matches well with the births.

The four troops of the 6th dragoon guards, lately quartered at Newcastle, are on their march to Edinburgh.

Caledonian Mercury 14th May 1810

Tuesday morning, four troops of the 6th dragoon guards marched for Hamilton barracks. – They had for some time been stationed in Glasgow where their behaviour was such as became the character of good soldiers.

Perthshire Courier 1st April 1813

Newry, April 9. Three troops of the 6th Dragoon Guards have been landed at Donaghadee from Portpatrick,and passed through this town on their way to Dundalk. They have more of the soldierly and warlike appearance than any we have seen here since the Cambridge Light Dragoons. Their horses seem to be well chosen for the service, and the men and accoutrements conformable; they wear the old Roman helmet, which has a daring and military appearance, and the construction of which surpasses all the modern helmets, for ancient elegance and modern safety.

Saunders's News-letter 23rd April 1813

The 6th Dragoon Guards (or Enniskillens) have arrived at Liverpool from Dublin, about 300 strong.

Star (London) 26th May 1814

The following are the regiments quartered in Ireland:– [list includes] 6th dragoon guards

Caledonian Mercury 14th January 1815

The 6th Dragoon Guards has replaced the 9th in the garrison of Dublin.

Morning Herald (London) 12th May 1815

The 2nd and 6th Dragoon Guards, and the 3rd Dragoons, are ordered to Belgium.

Cheltenham Chronicle 27th July 1815

The 6th Dragoon Guards are ordered from Ireland to North Britain

Sun (London) 3rd August 1815

6th Dragoon Guards, in Scotland, notwithstanding their being in daily expectation of a route for York will, we have reason to believe, remain in the quarters they now occupy at Piershill and Hamilton Cavalry Barracks, at least for some time to come.

Military Register 10th April 1816

Saturday week a party of excise officers, aided by a detachment of the 6th dragoon guards, destroyed a most extensive private distillery carried on in a wood in the neighbourhood of Glasgow; so large was the work, that coolers were used for cooling the worts, and the mash tun equal to that of an ordinary common brewer. A considerable quantity of spirits were on hand the preceding evening, but had been removed before the officers got forward.

Saint James's Chronicle 11th July 1816

Thursday and Friday last four troops of the 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabineers) marched from Piershill Barracks, on their route for York, by Berwick, &c. The Scotch Greys, who are to replace them at Piershill Barracks, passed through London yesterday morning, on their way from Canterbury for that destination.

Morning Herald (London) 3rd July 1817
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