Author Topic: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK  (Read 1498 times)

Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 970
    • View Profile
Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:00 BST (UK) »
Decided to bite the bullet and search for the death of my ancestor John Weston in the newspapers after the census of 1861, he was 70 then, so thought it might be not too onerous.  I hadn't been able to find a logical death in FreeBMD or Gov.uk.
I found a death announcement in the Sussex Advertiser, 3 Jun 1865 for John, who died at his daughter's home (also my ancestor) in Burwash, Sussex (they were in Warbleton in 1861).  Still cannot find a listing in order to purchase his death certificate.  Also a bit odd he died on 12 Mar so it was delayed.
Am also surprised I did not find a probate listing for him, as I believe he was not without assets, and in the 1861 was listed as "proprietor of houses" for his profession.
He was actually christened as John Weston Upton, born before his parents' marriage, and in his father's will called John Weston otherwise Uptain (sic).  All records I have found refer to him as just John Weston.
Wondering if there is any hope of getting that certificate.

Offline Milliepede

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,372
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:09 BST (UK) »
No I can't find one either  :-\

Does the announcement give any further details at all? 
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 970
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:16 BST (UK) »
He died at Scots House Farm, 12 Mar 1865, at the home of his daughter Mrs. Jabez Errey of Burwash.
He was formerly of Lewes, and was a miller.

From my other research, he was from a prominent milling family in Mayfield, Sussex and at least four of his five known children were born there.  In 1841 he and his wife Ann were living at Millhouse, Heathfield and in 1861 he was widowed and living with daughter Lucy (single) and an Errey grandson, in Lewes.  He is described as a master miller.  His father was a miller as well.

Should have added I looked under Upton for his death as well, and checked all Westons who died in that year in Ticehurst district, and all Johns too.  No joy.

Edited: That should read 1851, not 1861.  He was in Warbleton in 1861.

Offline coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,528
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:20 BST (UK) »
I see Burwash was in Ticehurst district in 1865.

A John Boarer and John Croft death was registered in the March quarter of 1865 in the district. And in the June quarter of 1865 was John Avery, John Daniels, John Bailey, John Gibb and John Stonestreet. As said no John Weston or John Upton. But listing all John's registered may help if the surname was grossly mis transcribed.

Could be the death was registered, and the entry was missed when being copied into the copies sent to the GRO at the time, meaning the death will appear in the local registry office deaths. Of course the district may have changed name over time.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 970
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:26 BST (UK) »
Can't see that any of those Johns have a surname anything close to Weston, even if messily written.
This is not the first time I have found mention of a death of a family member and not found in any indexes.  My ancestor's sister supposedly died in 1882 in Bridge district, Kent and I wrote to the district but they had no record of it.  It was all to do with a horrific criminal case and her husband went to jail, and no further sign of her after that date.

Offline coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,528
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 July 23 16:39 BST (UK) »
Same here. I have a burial for an ancestor in December 1864 but cannot find any death entry in the GRO and I have tried all variants.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

Offline AllanUK

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,304
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 July 23 18:17 BST (UK) »
Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:

Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton

I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.

Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO

Offline teragram31510

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 196
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 July 23 18:41 BST (UK) »
Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:

Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton

I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.

Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO

I wonder is the Burial date is a mistranscription of "29 Mar. 1865" (still a good while between death and burial but more reasonable than end of May!) Need to see the actual image of the register.
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 970
    • View Profile
Re: Newspaper announcement found, but no death in FreeBMD or Gov.UK
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 July 23 19:13 BST (UK) »
Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:

Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton

I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.

Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO

I wonder is the Burial date is a mistranscription of "29 Mar. 1865" (still a good while between death and burial but more reasonable than end of May!) Need to see the actual image of the register.

That corresponds with my comment about the newspaper announcement being so late - about seven weeks after the death.  Maybe there is a reason.