Robert Hood & Elizabeth Watters, Sorn, Ayrshire

[Neale1961]

Finding the father Robert Hood is a bit more difficult but I will just note this possible census and look again later
1851 Robert Hood (Collier) living in Riccarton
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027b88e9379091b11f4b5f/robert-hood-1851-ayrshire-ayr-1825-?locale=en


Added - this Robert Hood was the father of an illegitimate child previously.
https://www.scottishindexes.com/courtentry.aspx?courtid=7002026

[SOFEE]

Finding the father Robert Hood is a bit more difficult but I will just note this possible census and look again later
1851 Robert Hood (Collier) living in Riccarton
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027b88e9379091b11f4b5f/robert-hood-1851-ayrshire-ayr-1825-?locale=en

Im not so sure about that one ? its possible...theres loads of Robert HOODS and many are colliers
I know this can go for nothing on the son Robert b 1853 on his marriage records he has his father as a civil engineer,? big jump in occupation from coallier eh? lol

[SOFEE]

I think ive found Elizabeth Berkley Watters birth cert, 14th oct 1936 father john watters sailor halfway near Irvine mother Jean Torrance mother  (Other Church Registers Baptisms CH3/409/2 340 IRVINE RELIEF) Page 340 of 418 1836

also have above Elizabeth Berkley Watters marrying Robert Montgomery 1857 (Statutory registers Marriages 595/ 27) 1857so now i have to find a Robert hood staying with Montgomery family i do have a few grandchildren saying with grandparents so i'll go check them out see if i can get Census records

i couldnt have got this far without you Neale i much appreciate your help
thanks again
sofee

[Neale1961]

Elizabeth Berkley Watters marrying Robert Montgomery 1857 (Statutory registers Marriages 595/ 27)

That all looks good Sofee

Children:
Elizabeth Barclay Montgomery - born 1858 Dalry
John Montgomery – born 1860 Dalry
Walter Montgomery – born 1862 Kilmarnock

Montgomery family living at Shawhill Farm, Riccarton in 1861 census. But the son Robert Hood is not there with his mother.

Elizabeth Barkley (Watters) Montgomery died 1862 Kilmarnock – probably due to birth of son Walter.
Her widower husband Robert then married Agnes Park.

[Neale1961]

Robert Hood married in 1876
Do you have this marriage certificate?
What is recorded as his occupation?
Who were the witnesses at the marriage?
What is his address?

I see in the 1881 / 1891 / 1901 census that he was a coach maker / railway carriage maker.
So he would have served an apprenticeship – as that was skilled work.

[Neale1961]

1871 census Irvine High Street  Ancestry transcription (always questionable)
Robert Torrance 65 born Kilwinning, waiter domestic serv
John Torrance 63 born Howden (should read Loudon), labourer
Robert Hood 46 nephew – apprentice carpenter  B….? (don't recognise that B--- word)

There appears to be numerous errors in this transcription. When you look at the index entry for this census on ScotlandsPeople -  Robert Hood is age 16 – the correct age for your man.
Apprenticeship as a carpenter would allow him to progress to coach building etc.

1871 census for Irvine (ref 595/ 5/ 18) From ScotlandsPeople
Robert Torrance - age 46
John Torrance - age  63
Robert Hood - age 16

This Robert Torrance born 1822 Kilwinning was the son of James Torrance and Elizabeth Barclay – therefore the younger brother of Jean Torrance who married John Watters.
In 1851 census he is working as a footman at Eglinton Castle
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027ad2e9379091b11c6058/robert-torrence-1851-ayrshire-ayr-1823-?locale=en

The John Torrance is the one who appears on the 1851 census I posted in reply #2.

[Neale1961]

There is this 1861 census entry on Scotlands People

HOOD   ROBERT   
1861   M   age 4   
586/ 1/ 31   DALMELLINGTON   AYR

I cannot see it on Ancestry - but it seems a possible for your Robert.
I know the age is not quite right, but did his guardians know his correct age?

Sofee, you might need to spend some credits on these census records from SP to get the full picture.
I would start with the 1871 census (as posted directly above) and find out what it really says for that Robert Hood -  I feel quite certain that he is your Robert.

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Thinking …….
Elizabeth Torrance (nee Barclay) died Kilwinning 1858 (age 78) mother’s name Cowan
-   I wonder if she might have been looking after young Robert Hood up to her death? – and then he was under the care of her unmarried sons / Robert’s uncles.

[Neale1961]

Just to fill in a bit more information:

Children of John WATTERS and Jean TORRANCE

James WATERS bapt 1828 Dundonald
Jean WATTERS born June 1832 Irvine Relief
John WATTERS born July 1834 Irvine Relief
Elizabeth Barklay WATTERS born Oct 1836 Irvine Relief
Andrew WATTERS born Oct 1839 Irvine Relief
Margaret WATTERS born April 1842 Irvine Relief
Adam WATTERS born Oct 1844 Irvine Relief
William Torrance WATTERS born Sept 1850 Irvine Relief

1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027a41e9379091b11a1b39/andrew-waters-1851-ayrshire-ayr-1840-?locale=en


Jane (Jean) TORRANCE / WATERS died 1866 Irvine (mother’s name Barclay) – age 64.

John Watters, the sailor, is notable by his absence from the family in any census. 

[Neale1961]

... I also noticed at the top where the record number is it says Irvine Relief

is that something like poor relief ?? can someone explain that to me too?

Regarding the Irvine Relief Church – some information here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=367866.0