Hamill Family Portadown

[heywood]

From Shanreagh
“I think perhaps we should look at this Patrick and this Francis that you have found.   Patrick and this Francis lived at Union st Portadown at the time of patrick's death. 
https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/bt624ad”

Newspaper snippet
Portadown News October 1880
Mentions Francis Hamill, Union Street requesting that a child he had found be raised Roman Catholic.

2 other 1881 mention Francis Hamill stealing flowers but no street address.

[shanreagh]

Thanks for the age Heywood and KG. Of course now you have told me I see it clearly!

Ann Hamill the wife of Patrick Hamill the baker died aged 51 years on 27/10/1893. She was living at Thomas St Armagh. Death was reported by Patrick.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05988/4703065.pdf

Patrick Hamill the baker dies aged 54 on 15/2/1897. He was living at Thomas St Armagh. The death was reported by son Peter.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05877/4666299.pdf

[heywood]

I think the baker is definitely ruled out and the Francis who emigrated may be their son.
However, that does leave Francis of Union Street and his father Patrick.
That Patrick was married so there should be a death for a wife.

[Kiltaglassan]

Just adding this information on the other Breagh townlands-

In Armagh there seem to be three with this name (third one already mentioned - reply #2)
49950   Breagh   240   Drumcree   Oneilland West   Lurgan   Armagh
49951   Breagh   257   Seagoe   Oneilland East   Lurgan   Armagh
49952   Breagh   355   Tartaraghan   Oneilland West   Lurgan   Armagh

Breagh townland in Drumcree civil parish
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/breagh/breagh/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5245230#map=13/54.4436/-6.4579

Breagh townland in Seagoe civil parish
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-east/seagoe/carrowbrack/breagh/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5338685#map=13/54.4157/-6.4173

[mackers]

Opened up a whole can of worms with this. Many thanks for the replies. If i may add this the George McCann my great great grandfather married a Mary Lappan sic or Lappen/Lappin. I post this as I have not found a birth record for Edward Teresa's husband. But the Francis name has always made me wonder where it came from as the family names were very static up to his arrival. Ergo the Francis Hamill popping up looks very interesting.

By the way sorry for any confusion in regards UHF they give me a computer print out and that information was on it in regards Anne Carr if didn't have Kerr on it. That popped up later. But the Baker Hamill is totally out. If there is a problem with this kind of thing it is in the form of the McCann name itself around Armagh and Portadown (apart from the psychopath wing of the family) in that the name is so common. But it seems Teresa and Edward eloped as they were living together in Belfast for at least 2 years before their marriage. As they had their first child in 1869 in Belfast.  Again many thanks for all your info to all.

[Dundee]

Ann Hamill the wife of Patrick Hamill the baker died aged 51 years on 27/10/1893.

Patrick Hamill the baker dies aged 54 on 15/2/1897.

I would give both of them at least another 10 years on top of those ages if they were married in 1852.

Debra 

[heywood]

Patrick and Ann (baker) are in Armagh though not Portadown.

Re the child b 1869, I had wondered if there was a civil marriage about this time but I can’t find one.
I wondered if the parish one we have was later  due to Theresa being Catholic and Edward not. However, there is nothing to support the theory. 

[heywood]

I know what you mean Dundee.
I think it is the two Theresas that is confusing.

Shanreagh posted births earlier to Patrick and Ann Carr
These are the 1850s
1854 Henry (can’t read second name) Patrick and Ann Kerr
1856 Ann - sponsors John and Mary Hamill
Sponsors Patrick? Hamill and Ann …
1858 John - sponsors Francis Carr and Lucy (Lucia) Hamill.

[heywood]

Just for info
Henry Hamill, baker aged 25 yrs death 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06500/4871432.pdf