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Wise/O,Neill
« on: Tuesday 26 September 23 20:31 BST (UK) »
I am helping my nephew find his family in Kilkenny,Ireland.His name now is Austin(Augustus)Wyse born 1951.His father was Robert Wise(spelt differently to his son) and he was born in !913 or 1923 and I think he died in 1987?He married (Maria) Carmel O'Neill in Kilkenny in 1943 still in Kilkenny.They had 3 boys and 2 girls.Carmel died in 1978 Hammersmith,London.I can do my nephews mothers side but can find no trace of his dad??I know they must have separated at some point after the children were born.I just cannot find Robert my nephews dad anywhere?I must be missing something as I am normally quite good at Ancestry.Can someone help me or put me right?I think as i only have UK Ancestry I cannot get southern Ireland.Am I correct?Oh yes Carmel O'Neil was born 1923 in Kilkenny.
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Re: Wise/O,Neill
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Re: Wise/O,Neill
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 September 23 21:53 BST (UK) »
There was a Frederick Wise who married Margaret Nolan in Kilkenny in 1902, could Robert have been one of their later children?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10284/5743375.pdf

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Re: Wise/O,Neill
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 September 23 22:07 BST (UK) »
Quote from: gaffy on Tuesday 26 September 23 21:53 BST (UK)

There was a Frederick Wise who married Margaret Nolan in Kilkenny in 1902, could Robert have been one of their later children?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10284/5743375.pdf


If the above is the correct folk, this looks like a couple of their children with Nolan grandparents in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Kilkenny_No__2_Urban/Maudlin_Street/526024/

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Re: Wise/O,Neill
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 September 23 22:09 BST (UK) »
A son Patrick Joseph Wise was born to Frederick Wise and Margaret Nolan in 1917:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01303/1539096.pdf

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Re: Wise/O,Neill
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 September 23 23:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: gaffy on Tuesday 26 September 23 21:53 BST (UK)
There was a Frederick Wise who married Margaret Nolan in Kilkenny in 1902, could Robert have been one of their later children?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10284/5743375.pdf

This birth would fit with Frederick (father James, a Gamekeeper)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02860/2048182.pdf

Do you know if Robert’s father lived in England?
There is a death in Birmingham in 1956 for Frederick C Wise born abt 1880.

I am really sorry, as I now realise it is Robert you are looking for and not Frederick. I got carried away there!

This could be Margaret Wise in 1911 - in India
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V4-TKJ

James
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V4-TKV

Thomas Joseph (there is a birth in Clonmel 1904)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V4-TKK

Robert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V4-TK2

There is a birth, June quarter 1909, Farnham, England mmn Nolan.

This, of course, is a different year to the one you have.
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