Phoenix family Hope/Cefn Y Bedd/Cymau/Gwersyllt

[wilcoxon]

Cumeye round here, same as Brymbo is Brumbo.
But Treuddyn used to be Tryddyn and Frwdd was Frood.
Don't even mention Acrefair. 😀
Our satnavs struggle 🙂

[MadMazzy]

  wilcoxon, Acrefair is acre fair!!!  My granddad who was English always called Caergwrle  Carawaggle and Cefn Y Bedd was Seven in a Bed  .  Thank goodness for Leeswood so simple 

[Gadget]

I remember being asked the way to Acre Fair - I looked blank!!!

Acruvi - only about 3-4 miles from where i grew up

PS - compulsory Welsh in my school 

[wilcoxon]

Ack - ray - fire. All one word. But  depends where you live
On the way to Langolen . I tried for weeks to try to teach my friend how to pronounce Llangollen but she couldn't get her her tongue right. 🙂

She couldn't manage Llay, it was Lay 😏


I had a look at some Nonconformist records for Cymau but they are much later than yours, there were no Phoenix in any of them .

As for Edward Phoenix  died in the workhouse I guess you could cross check 1851 for any Edwards the same age and see if any are missing by 1861.

https://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/en/miscellanea/poor-law-unions

[wilcoxon]

I have just checked Welsh wills  just in case and the few that are there are in Wrexham area.
None are useful.

[MadMazzy]

Thanks wilcoxon.  I haven’t been able to find that family on 1861 census which has not helped.  Some people are using a death date of 1877 for Edward Phoenix but it’s not this one as that was the shoemaker who was widowed before 1871 census as he lived in lodgings then.

[Gadget]

Ack - ray - fire. All one word. But  depends where you live

Not F but  v (Basic Welsh - tut tut)   FF = F  f - v   

As I said  Acruvi

and the last r is nearly silent.

[Gadget]

Mazzy

_ I've looked through all the local records that I have and can't find any burials for Elizabeth Jones around that time in the area. It might well be that a relative died after the time that the first Eliz was baptised  and she was then named after her. 

[MadMazzy]

Thanks Gadget.  Some parish registers are great for information, others give the bare minimum.  I’ve noticed in our Pontblyddyn registers some ministers put NG in the margin which I thought meant no grave, a subtle way of saying they had a paupers burial.  Not that I know where the paupers were buried in our churchyard unfortunately.  The worse thing in the registers I think are the words ‘base born’, ‘bastard’ and ‘illegitimate’ labelling innocent babies.   
But I digress, I appreciate your help