Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY

[haney]

Hi What an unbelievably detailed intestate document that was.  I have never seen anything like that before!  Amazing.  Such a shame there were details lacking on the marriage certificate.  Thanks so much for that.

From what the find a grave bio said Catherine (Carty/Murray/Feeney) was estranged from the family. 

Intemperance seemed to be a bit of a problem there.  Will carry on with some research in the Bathurst area to hopefully find her death.

Who knows she may have reconciled with one of her family!!  Many thanks

[Neale1961]

Hi What an unbelievably detailed intestate document that was.  I have never seen anything like that before!  Amazing.  Such a shame there were details lacking on the marriage certificate.  Thanks so much for that.

Isn't it a wonderful trove of information on the Draeger family, but also the information about Teresa's children and their adoptions is also very interesting. It also jogs my memory that I came across a mention of Teresa deserting  - this must have been her escaping from the violence and the reason she had her 2nd child adopted.
     The marriage certificate that is attached to that file is not the complete one that I found. It looks like an abridged copy. I will look for it again for the full version, and send it to you.

[Neale1961]

NSW Police Gazette 15 Dec 1886, page 387
“Theresa Murray, charged on warrant with deserting her child, has been arrested by Constable Danks, Waratah Railway Line Police. Remanded to Sydney”
 

[haney]

Many thanks.  Yes there maybe a more complete copy out there.  Fingers crossed. Now I have "nearly" a concise timeline for CATHERINE Carty/Murray etc.

I've made a couple more enquiries and have also ordered her 1852 marriage to Richard.  I realise it will have very little information but you never know.

As she would have been only 18 when she married maybe someone was acting as a guardian or?? for her.

So it looks like her son Richard J has died 25th June 1858 and then Catherine is listed first?? 28 December 1858 re Bahurts gaol and again 1859 6 months confinement.

I was going to go through all of the trove reports this morning BUT the site seems to be down!!

Anyway onwards and upwards. Dianna

[Neale1961]

Many thanks.  Yes there maybe a more complete copy out there.  Fingers crossed. Now I have "nearly" a concise timeline for CATHERINE Carty/Murray etc.

I started the following list of Catherine Carty's gaol entries yesterday, but only got to 1882. I know there were more before and after this .....

6 Jun 1867 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Entry 229. Released 8th June after paying the fine for stealing

23 Sep 1867 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Drunkenness. 14 days confinement. No ship mentioned.

21 Oct 1867 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenny. Drunkenness. 6 months.

24 Jan 1868 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feely. Drunkenness. 7 days.

3 Mar 1868 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenny. 3 months imprisonment for vagrancy.

22 Nov 1870 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Catherine Fenny. Drunkenness. 24hours.

19 Jan 1871 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Feeney. Drunkenness. 7 days

26 Jan 1871 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Drunkenness. 3 months.

1 May 1871 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Drunkenness. 7 days. Indecent language. 2 months. Released 6th July.

10 Jul 1871 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Drunk 24hr.

13 Nov 1871 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Murray alias Feeney. Gulgong. Vagrancy. 6 months.

23 Sep 1872 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Catherine Feeney. Drunkenness. 48 hours.

25 Nov 1872 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Carthy alias Feeney. Arrested Wellington Oct 1872 for stealing £4 and a gold sample from Martin Moyce. Convicted on 25 Nov 1872 and sentenced to 18 months hard labour at Bathurst Gaol. Released 23 May 1874.

12 Jan 1875 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Drunkenness. 24 hours. (And again on the 14th Jan).

8 Mar 1875 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Caroline Feeney. Indecent language. 2 months. Released 7th May.

11 May 1875 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine C. Feeney. Drunkenness. 7 days.

20 May 1875 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenny. Drunkenness. 7 days.

31 May 1875 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenney. Drunkenness. 7 days.

21 Mar 1878 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Unbalanced mind  - discharged 10 days later.

9 Oct 1880 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeny. Vagrancy. 1 month.

13 Apr 1881 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenny. Drunkenness. 48 hours.

20 Apr 1881 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Vagrancy. 1 month. Released 19th May.

6 Jun 1881 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeney. Vagrancy. 6 months. Released 5th Dec 1881.

24 Dec 1881 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Fenny. Vagrancy. 1 month. Discharged 23 Jan 1882.

April 1882 • Bathurst, New South Wales
According to a newspaper article, Catherine/Caroline spent 6 months in hospital from April until September 1882 following an accident.

3 Oct 1882 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Catherine Feeny. Charged with Vagrancy. Birthplace Ireland. Age 46. Released 2nd April 1883.

1882 • Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
Wed 4 Oct 1882. Charged with vagrancy and sent to gaol for six months.

[haney]

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!  You could write a book on this lady!  Poor thing honestly! This have been fascinating research.  I think she could go into the Guiness book of records.  LOL

[haney]

It seems incredulous that this is all happening WHILE/DURING her having the Feeney kids.

1861-1869. 

[Neale1961]

Not sure if you saw these items about R Murray, the cricketer.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225151876?searchTerm=%22R%20Murray%22%20AND%20cricket

Regarding injury and money raised
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13005406?searchTerm=%22R%20Murray%22%20AND%20cricket

[Neale1961]

There is a family tree on Ancestry – looks to be fairly well researched and has the following (briefly) …..
John MURRAY born abt 1809 Cork religion Roman Catholic – transported for stealing – arrived in 1829 – married Catherine Crompton 1830, - seven children (Richard was the first born)

I have looked some more at John MURRAY. Not too much to find, as he mostly seems to have been well-behaved. 

John MURRAY abt 1802 Cork – 2 Sept 1858 Sydney
Arrived 1819 per “Mary 1”.
Conviction for vagrancy in Cork city. Sentence 7 years.
age 16; Occupation - Errand Boy.

John MURRAY age 16, height 5ft ½, fair ruddy complexion, light brown hair, grey eyes, native place Cork

13 March 1820 Gaol Entrance
John Murray per “Mary” – D Wentworth esq. 25 lashes on the breach

1822 (General Muster): John MURRAY per “Mary”, 7 years – labourer at Longbottom
[Longbottom Stockade was a Government farm which covered most of what is now Croydon by 1821.]
https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/ahf_event/the-longbottom-stockade/

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17005869?searchTerm=%22Longbottom%20STockade%22


10 March 1825 Certificate of Freedom 106/3334   
Native Place – Cork; labourer, age 22
5 feet ½ inch height; ruddy complexion; hair brown; eyes blue

10 July 1838 Gaol Entrance
John Murray – born Cork per “Mary 1819” Catholic; Carpenter -  Confined 10 days, fine paid and bailed.