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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #90 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:07 GMT (UK) »
Oh that is a horrible story.  The horse was killed, I don't think I like John Loder very much. 

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #91 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:08 GMT (UK) »
St Helena Gaol Entry
Scroll down to prisoner 640
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/api/download_file/DR56516
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #92 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:09 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: haney on Tuesday 19 March 24 01:07 GMT (UK)
I don't think I like John Loder very much.

You can’t choose your ancestors.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #93 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:12 GMT (UK) »
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #94 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:34 GMT (UK) »
John LODER 63yrs (Prisoner 640) burial 3  Nov 1870, St Helena Prisoner Cemetery has a surviving cross.

The prisoners were buried under their number not name.

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #95 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Haney, Just in case you are not familiar with it, St Helena Island in Moreton Bay was the site of QLD's penal settlement. It is now a national park and you can take day trips from the mainland.
I remember having fun there on a school excursion - many years back now!

https://parks.des.qld.gov.au/parks/st-helena-island/about
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #96 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 02:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi thanks Merlin that is great.

Also Neale prisoner 138 seems to be a Alfred Callahan or something.  I thought I would just skim through the "dischages" for all of 1870, when he died isn't it.

Have I mixed something up.  LOL  Doesn't add up with John being born in Sydney does it.  Of course that could be a mistake. 

Will enjoy looking into St. Helena Island

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #97 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 02:33 GMT (UK) »
ENTRY 138, towards the bottom of the ninth page. They are not in order
Starts with name of ship Chapman 1819.
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/api/download_file/DR115486
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Katherine Alice GREENLEES nee MURRAY
« Reply #98 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 02:45 GMT (UK) »
GOT IT!! Thanks so this John Loder arrived in 1819! Doesn't seem to add up somehow??

Him marrying in 1857 to Mary Healy!  As you said before he could have been married anywhere in Aus. I guess

Conflicting evidence with him being born in Sydney or Ireland Age does seem to agree though with the birth certificate and trial documents

So where is the 4/5 year old (supposed) daughter Sophia Elizabeth born 1865!!

Where's mum!!  Shame there are no family members mentioned in the court documents. 

Of course this could be another different JOHN!!  Time will tell (maybe)

 Did she come to the Hunter region NSW c 1885/6 when her daughter was born in Newcastle in 1887.

Wow so much more to try and find.  This family is going to do my head in I think. LOL
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