Jacob Owens (+ wife)

[danieloks2ndaccount]

Hi all,

Hoping for some help with this as this man and his wife have been elluding me for years.

My 4th great-grandfather was William Owens (c. 1840-1918); his parents were Jacob Owens and Agnes Kennedy Richmond, according to his two marriage and death certificates. I haven't been able to find any information on them apart from what is shown on the certificates.

In 1860, William married his first wife; Barbara Richmond, yes, same last name as his mother. Her mother's maiden name was also Richmond, so I presume there is some three-way relationship there however I haven't really been able to get further than Barbara's grandparents on that side. Anyway, in 1860 both William's parents are alive, and Jacob is listed as a soldier.

Barbara died in 1870 and in 1871 William marries again, to Elizabeth Ross/Rofs. At this time, his mother is listed as deceased but his father is still alive and a miner.

When William dies in 1918, his parents are both deceased of course and his father's last occupation is a journeyman blacksmith.

Looking at deaths for Jacob Owens, seemingly there are only four in the whole of Scotland, neither of them fit my gentleman though. As for Agnes, I think there is only one death which could've fit, in 1861 aged 38. I have looked at this certificate however and it doesn't match my woman.

I know these are the right names as William names two of his children Jacob and Agnes. Any help would be appreciated.

Daniel

[GR2]

Where do the censuses say William was born?

[CaroleW]

1851 onwards b Kilmarmock.  1851 he is an 11yr old servant

[rosie17]

Been looking at this all morning and not coming up with anything 

GR2 William Owens is listed as being born Kilmarnock on census forms his residence is
Kilmaurs Ayrshire ..There are a lot of trees that has the death for his mother Agnes 1861
Maybe Daniel could post the information from the death certificate ?

Rosie

[danieloks2ndaccount]

Sorry all, been busy and have forgotten to reply here. I can post Agnes's death certificate.

Censuses say he was born in Kilmarnock; though the 1891 census says Kilmaurs. I have checked parish records with no luck, nor for his parents marriage.

Jacob Owens seems like a very rare name and there have seemingly only been a handful in Scotland. There is two Jacob Owens born in the 1820s which is as close as it gets, but neither of them are viable. I should note they were both born to the same parents if I remember correctly, so likely that the elder brother died and the younger was named for him.

[rosie17]

Yes I had worked out Agnes Kennedy Richmond was married to Hugh Laurie going by the 1861 census .
Did you view the marriage in 1860 for Agnes  Kennedy Richmond to Hugh Laurie ?

There is always a possibility Agnes Kennedy Richmond was not married to Jacob Owens

Rosie

[danieloks2ndaccount]

I actually haven't viewed that; but I should.
I got the marriage certificate; she only writes Agnes K Richmond, tho' her mothers maiden name is Kennedy. She is 36 and a widow but does not sign with her married name. Hugh is 43 and a widower.

Looking at Old Parish records, an Agnes Kennedy Richmond marries James Wylie in Irvine in 1850. I can't seem to find a death for him between these years.

I also tried to have a look at the Kirk Sessions for Agnes but with no success.

[Ashtone]

Do you have William's c1840 birth record?  Do you have him in the 1841 census?

Have you looked into the woman (and daughter) he's living with in 1851? 
Her name is Marion Spencer (age 21, dressmaker).

Could there be a family connection between William and Marion Spencer?

[danieloks2ndaccount]

I have looked for William's birth in the Parish records with no success, and I haven't been able to find him in 1841 either.

I have considered that and I will look into it. One of my thoughts was that he could perhaps be doing work for a neighbour but having looked at the census his family are not nearby.