Looking for info regarding James Barr, Dalry

[dippitybix]

Good afternoon all,

I am looking for some help in regards to tracing my GG Uncle James Barr of Dalry.

He was born 20th September, 1905 in Dalry to Samuel Barr and Sarah Barr nee Martin.

Sadly his mother died in 1909 in the Cunningham Poor House.

I have a record of poor relief for James and his sister Sarah (my G Grandmother), in 1913, due to desertion of their father. I contacted Ayrshire archives and they have sent me some records regarding their admission to the poorhouse.  My great grandmother went onto marry and have children but I haven't been able to find anything regarding James.

I'm thinking due to his age on admission to the poorhouse and his father deserting the children after his wife's death that he could have been adopted? I gather this would have been informal back in those days.

I've searched census records for James Barr on Scotlands people but had no luck - spent a few £ on records that don't match sadly.

Any help/suggestions would be great.

[CaroleW]

Is there a discharge date on the Poorhouse record?

[ColC]

I guess this is the death of Sarah Martin?

SARAH BARR 42 mmn MILLIGAN 1909 Irvine

I note the birth registrations for Sarah & James.
All below mmn MARTIN

SARAH BARR 1902 Ardrossan New

JAMES BARR Dalry (Ayr)

However below are in the same period mmn MARTIN, are they related?

ALEXANDER BARR 1901 Ardrossan New

MARY BARR 1907 Stevenston

Colin

[ColC]

Have you checked this 1911 census Reference Number 595/ 13/ 13 Irvine
 
JAMES BARR, age 5 & SARAH BARR, age 7

Colin

[dippitybix]

Is there a discharge date on the Poorhouse record?

No, doesn't look like any mention of discharge date on the documents I have.

[dippitybix]

I guess this is the death of Sarah Martin?

SARAH BARR 42 mmn MILLIGAN 1909 Irvine

I note the birth registrations for Sarah & James.
All below mmn MARTIN

SARAH BARR 1902 Ardrossan New

JAMES BARR Dalry (Ayr)

However below are in the same period mmn MARTIN, are they related?

ALEXANDER BARR 1901 Ardrossan New

MARY BARR 1907 Stevenston

Colin

Yes that's the correct death for Sarah Martin her mother was Rachel Milligan/Mulligan Dromore, County Down.

Not sure regarding Mary and Alexander. The two other siblings I know about are Elizabeth Barr born 1892 Kilwinning, and William born 1890 Dromore.

[dippitybix]

Have you checked this 1911 census Reference Number 595/ 13/ 13 Irvine
 
JAMES BARR, age 5 & SARAH BARR, age 7

Colin

Hi Colin, I've just purchased the record from Scotland's People and it is the census return for the Cunninghame Poor House.

[CaroleW]

I can’t see any marriage for Samuel & Sarah on SP

[Kiltaglassan]

It's on Irishgenealogy.ie
30 October 1889 at Dromore 1st Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10746/5918681.pdf

Samuel Barr from Drumbroneth.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4733282#map=13/54.40219/-6.14526