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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Sunday 14 April 24 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Ladyhawk...........................WOW!!!
That's a hell of a lot you've discovered  :o

So, firstly, I ordered digital copies of the death certificates for the 2 Mary Ann Clutton's we think it might be.
GRO closes at 4.00. on a Friday so I wont hear back from them till tomorrow at the earliest.

I knew Elsie and Alice were living with there aunt, Sarah Jane Clutton, the fact its the 1911 census raises a number of questions.................
Following the death of their mother in 1907/1909, who did they live with and where?
The 1909 Manchester death certificate for Mary Ann Clutton may answer this question, if its the correct person then the family moved from Wheelock to Manchester following the birth of Alice in 1907, if its not the right person then we can only assume that the family stayed in Wheelock following the birth of Alice, confirmed by the 1911 census.

I can place the family in Manchester with there father Joseph and his new wife Elizabeth in 1915, this then raises another question though.
My grandmother is Elsie and I can recall visiting an Alice, presumably her sister, in the early 60s in Wheelock.
I've got Alice's birth details but nothing after that, thats my next quest I think.

My understanding is that Mary Ann Cluttons biological parents were Thomas and Sarah Jane Clutton (nee Minshull).
As yet I have no evidence of there deaths other than some notes I made, Thomas died in 1894 and Sarah Jane in 1907, allegedly, it would seem from your findings that Sarah Jane remarried after Thomas's death, hence the fact I wouldn't find a death certificate for her under Clutton.

It looks like the new husband James Sheckleston is also a boatman, seems like its a very close community.
The daughter, Sarah Jane Clutton, married twice, to Jonah Barlow in 1903 and James Sheckleston (presumably James Sheckleston junior) in 1909.
The rest of your findings from 1909 onwards look pretty straight forward.

So, a lot to digest and process and I can only say thinks to yourself for the current info and everyone else who have contributed to this search................THANK YOU  ;D

As soon as I get the GRO details for the 2 Mary Ann's I'll let you know.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 12 April 24 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Ordered both digital images, watch this space.

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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Davies
« on: Friday 12 April 24 21:50 BST (UK)  »
And there in lies my problem Mabel.
I have a Thomas Davies and a Mary Parry married in 1767 and the son Uvedale born in 1776 to a Thomas and Mary Davies.
I've trawled through a number of Mary Parry's and not really been convinced by any of them but your 1735 Mary Parry is a better fit than the 1855 one I already have.
More work to be done I think.


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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Davies
« on: Friday 12 April 24 21:29 BST (UK)  »
I have seen it Mazi yeah, very unusual.
I've been in touch with Hereford Genealogy and they think the Father Thomas may have worked for the Price family, hence a bit of forelock tugging with naming his son after the lord of the Manor.
Even weirder, the lady who runs the website shares Uvedales son James with myself, I've asked her about Thomas but not had a response.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 12 April 24 20:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the tip wilcoxon  ;)

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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Davies
« on: Friday 12 April 24 17:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that ciderdrinker, thats the person I think it is too, the marriage date is the one I already had.
He's 28 years older than the Mary Parry I have, born in 1755 which worries me as the first born child, George Davies was born 1768 when that Mary was 13 and Thomas was 40  :o

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 12 April 24 17:19 BST (UK)  »
Your not wrong wilcoxon, its not the first time I've had to do it and with it being a direct descendant its a must.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 12 April 24 13:26 BST (UK)  »
Just looked through my notes and I cant find the evidence, I'll have to do a re-trawl I think.
There are a number of problems with the Cluttons, because they were boat people they could be anywhere and everywhere and whilst I wouldn't rule out the Manchester death, its not ringing any bells but Ellesmere Port is striking a chord.
Theres an issue with Sarah Jane too, there are records with the 2 names, with just Sarah, and with just Jane.
the spelling of Clutton in the records are suspect too.
At some point in time Joseph Bell came to Manchester, why?, I don't know but he's the touchstone of my family in the town, I'm not sure I can say the same about the Cluttons, I'm pretty sure Mary Ann and the kids didn't move here with him and they only arrived after her death but who IS the Jane Clutton who died in Manchester in 1907??

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:10 BST (UK)  »
Millipede.
Joseph Bell is noted as a widower in the 1911 census, living in Sandbach and its worth noting that the children are NOT listed on the census with him.
Given the last child, Alice, was born in 1907, that gives a 4 year window for the death of Mary Ann.
William Bell Clutton, age 6, son of Joseph and Mary Ann is listed as living with Samuel bell in the 1911 census in Sandbach.
Both Elsie and Alice ARE listed in the 1911 census as living with there Aunt, Sarah Jane Clutton in Wheelock.
I'm now starting to think that the 1907 date is wrong for Mary Ann's death and maybe she IS the 1909 death at reply 2 by Ashtone.

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