Descendants of Charles Gideon WINTER?

[tropicalj]

"Another interesting thing is timothy  is at home till 1891 wales census  but he ups and marries and changes occupation to a draper in 1901  ''


hi there  I have made a mistake  here  TIMOTHY WINTER died 1895 in narbeth 
have also  corrected te birth year for elizabeth she was born 1841 midle name is rogers als0
sorry dont know where I was when  I put this there

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

"I'm thinking John might have been off doing an apprenticeship somewhere in cabinetmaking in 1851 census... also with regards to John and Frances.. do you mean that Frances had been married before she married John?  I wonder then if Oriel's her maiden name... I was thinking she might have been a Morris since her relatives already in Australia were named Morris and a Wallace... "

on the  1861 census  frances oriel is a widow and guess what!!  living with her is her neice sarah wallace born 1846 narbeth  this ties in to  what CGW says about his mothers ie frances family being an aunt elizabeth  wallace  this is this lass's mother by the 1851 census

Also  I have found that another of the children born to william and sarah matilda  Joseph's iddle name is RODGERS

a coincidence maybe not 

also  on one the those census  your william  is with an elizabeth or is it eliza at the same address she is their neice  birth place is pembrokshire  will recheck to let you know

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

Hello there Leigh

well pretty sure  you are on the right track

on the 1861 census  where your william is
also in ELIZA born 1846 COLD BLOW NARBETH PEMBROKESHIRE 

You would assume that it is his sister eliza  cold blow  appears quite frequently in conjunction with narbeth

What do you reckon on this 

also  another neice is with them  a MARY WALSH  bor  bristol  1842 ? will check this out

regards jenn

yes i know  there are household  dutiies to be  attended too but  boring   I am  having to much  fun  gives  me a sense of achievement to  help someone else  out

[fyremoon]

Yes that 1861 census, where William and Eliza are with uncle and Aunt Henry and Ruth 'Rossetter' is what got me checking for Somerset connections in the first place.  And the other neice, Mary Walsh, being from Bristol, meant that the Rogers aunty William was with in 1851 got my attention.  I've linked to this thread I think, but here's the link again:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,173926.0.html

I should try to find out more about 'Cold Blow' as I'm thinking this might be a property or house name, rather than a locality in Narberth??

I'm verging on concluding this is one and the same William Winter, there seem to be far too many coincidences... and nothing yet to show that it can't be...

Oh and Joseph's middle name being Rodgers is interesting - I came across a baptism index for an Elizabeth Rogers Winter in Pembroke on the LDS site... the year was a bit out (it gave a year and then said age at christening - 1, which didn't add up for the Elizabeth I have, but the Rogers stood out).

If I knew where William and Sarah were married, perhaps I could try asking for a parish register look up, but without knowing the year or the parish, it's a bit hard.

Leigh x

[tropicalj]

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&GridE=-4.72340&GridN=51.78290&lon=-4.72340&lat=51.78290&search_result=Cold%20Blow%2C%20Pembrokeshire&db=freegaz&lang=&keepicon=true&place=Cold%20Blow%2C%20Pembrokeshire&pc=&advanced=&client=public&addr2=&quicksearch=cold%20blow&addr3=&scale=100000&addr1=

this is a link to a map of where cold blow  narbeth is it is actually narberth!!

regards jenn

[Arranroots]

My word you have been busy while I was sleeping!

(I am just posting to keep up to date: don't want to duplicate any effort here on the other thread: Leigh can you make sure that any developments are noted there, please?)

Will ba back to check on progress later

kind regards, Arranroots 

[sparrett]

Hi friends,
No immediate luck with the burials of Charles Gid. & Ada,  Will keep trawling.
However this of interest.

In the 1949 PO Directory for West Aust.
 Region, Busselton
Winter C. G.
ALSO
 Winter, Wm. J. dairy Farmer  -Jindong
Sue

[fyremoon]

Hmm, that's interesting Sue, I wonder who that William J is?  At first I thought it might have been his brotehr William but then I remembered he went to Sth Africa, and I *think* died there, leaving his pressed cement business to his son.

Perhaps he's a grandson of Charles G's.

Thanks so much by the way for doing all this digging and looking for me, I'm very appreciative of your time and energy, especially as it's not your research. 

Leigh

[tropicalj]

Hello there Leigh
Ah yes found the marriage of john winter and frances oriel in 1864

on the 1871 census  Amroth Narberth Pembrokeshire Wales
John Winter   born 1836 Tenby Wales cabinet maker and grocer
Frances Winter born 1827 Narberth Wales  grocer
Charles Gideon Winter born 1867 scholar
William Stephen Winter born 1868 scholar

John & Frances WINTER arrived in 1871 on ship Stonehouse as unassisted immigrants with two children  Charles & William into Melbourne
so they would have left after the census they have stayed in melbourne for a while  cause
frances has died in launceston tasmanina in 1890  and Charles Gideon has married there  and had  two boys by the index it only goes to 1899

CHARLES ROBERT born 13/7/1894  449/1894 rdg 33
NOEL STEPHEN born 26/1/1897        98/1897 rdg 33
BOTH BORN IN LAUNCESTON
The other Son John  would have been born around 1900

regards jenn

ps link to Olympics games for John Winter born 1924 WA
http://www.olympics.com.au/games.cfm?GamesID=129