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Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« on: Sunday 17 January 10 02:34 GMT (UK) »
I would greatly appreciate any insight from anyone regarding the family and/or birth details of Richard George Nash born Bristol 1852.
Richard, an artist painter by profession, was a ggrandfather of mine - who left the UK around 1870 and emigrated to New Zealand, where he lived until his death in 1937.
He was probably in the UK for only the 1861 Census -as (approx) a 10 yr old.
If any kind person could look this up for me and/or give me a clue as to parents and/or siblings names, I would be most grateful.
(I hope I'm in the correct county - I believe that Bristol is an entity to itself.)
Thanks in anticipation.
Ed Eyre
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
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Re: Help Please: Richard George Nash (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 January 10 03:05 GMT (UK) »
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Richard George Nash born Bristol 1852.


Hi Ed

Where did you get this information?  I can't find a Richard George Nash in birth registration or census that fits.  Is it possible that some or all of his name was changed?

Linda
MOXHAM/MOXAM - Wiltshire & Surrey
SKEATS - Surrey
BRETT - Kent & County Durham
and
SWINBANK - anywhere

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Re: Help Please: Richard George Nash (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 January 10 03:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Linda
The info that I have given re full name, birth year and birthplace comes from a number of varied (but, admittedly family furnished) sources.
He was known here, in NZ, as 'Richard Nash'. If there is any error, it is most likely with the given birthdate - it could possibly be a year either side of 1852 but I am reasonably confident that it too is correct.
Although the birthdate is relatively distant, I am not 'generation-wise' very far removed.
 I believe the information I give is correct, but unfortunately that which is shown is the full extent of the hard facts I have.
(Other names - that might offer some clue - appearing with Richard's children are Frederick, Charles, Samuel Corea, and James).
I appreciate your interest and effort.
Thanks
Ed
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George Nash (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 January 10 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed

PAPERS PAST
Southland Times , Issue 3661, 17 March 1880, Page 3
"...In the matter of the Bankruptcy of Richard George NASH, of Invercargil, Sign-Painter, a debtor"

then following in the same article:
"....J E HANNAH of Invercargil, a Certified accountant...appointed Trustee in the estate of Richard George NASH of Invercargil  in the Colony of New Zealand, sign-painter......"

Does this imply the Bankrupt had died (I was thinking, a father of the same name....but I can't see a death in NZ BDM online) or is the word 'estate' in this case to do with the bankrupt's assets and is not about his death ???

I see the Richard George NASH is buried in Invercargill in 1937 age 85 yrs.
Have you contacted the Funeral director mentioned there (who appears to be still in business) to see what information is held on their file for him? It may mention parents names for example. Usually a phone call with the name &  date of death or burial will do.

http://www.frasersfunerals.co.nz/

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 January 10 07:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambly
I am aware of the bankruptcy you mention. (There is masses of info pertaining to Richard Nash in Papers Past "Southland Times' - most of it better news than this!)
(Painters have always had a hard time of it. Witness Van Gogh, Rembrandt, ad infinitum. Some have to paint signs. Some, posters. Some just burglarise).
This is my ggf, the man I'm trying to locate the birth details for in Bristol.
The newspaper legal notice does imply an estate, and by extension, a death,  but the notice is his and he didn't die until 1937. I didn't miss him by much!
It is recorded on NZ BMD ... ref 1937/24175
I have relatives of his (and mine) presently living in Invercargill but no-one as yet can provide parents' names - hence my queries in his birthplace, Bristol.
Thanks for your help.
Ed
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 January 10 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Marengo,
you mention he was known as George Nash only but all the records I can find on him he is Richard George Nash.

Marriage;
Richard George NASH
Emma CULL
1875/1101

These children all have their Father recorded as Richard George Nash on their birth regos plus Mother Emma.
Annie Jane 1878
Caleb John 1880
Emma 1881
Charles 1885#
Samuel Corea 1886#
James 1888#
(# ones you have mentioned)

I havent found Fredericks reg. with Mother Emma but there is one with Father George, Mother Mary in 1884.


Have you actually purchased the Death and Marriage Certs??
One or both of these should provide his parents names and POB .

Trish :)
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 January 10 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish
Thanks for your work.
I am already very conversant with all the info you include.
There are actually eleven children recorded as descendants, but as you have observed, the eldest, Frederick Nash is not to be found on NZ BMD.
I did not say that the man I seek was known (only) as 'George Nash' -.
I said (in response to someone asking if I maybe had his name wrong) that he was known in New Zealand as Richard Nash.
I am aware that, on almost all official documents he is named in full  as 'Richard George Nash'.
I haven't as yet sighted a copy of his Death and Marriage Certs. (I will ) but I was also rather hoping that some appraisal of records in Bristol, UK would quickly identify him with parents.

Thanks
Ed (Grandson of Sarah Nash, bn 1890 / 18578 )
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 January 10 22:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed

Bristol is spread over the counties of Somerset and Gloucestershire.

On Free Bmd there is a Richard NAISH registered in Bristol, Glos in March quarter 1852.

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 January 10 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to say Richard NAISH is not the correct person. I thought he may have been a possibility yesterday, but on following him I found the name is consistently NAISH and he remains in Bristol until at least 1901.

Cheers Kris  :)
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