Tracing Thomas Halberts Ancestry

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Yes that is a positive!

Were you saying above that if there is a baptism that means the birth was registered in a seperate record?

"If the 1814 baptism for the 8 year old Thomas was for your Thomas, then his baptism was recorded"

[SelDen]

No, civil registration did not start in England and Wales until July 1837. I was just a bit puzzled about your question (feeling a bit slow today ) as if the 1814 baptism is for your Thomas, then there it is. I also forgot to note that William senior's will does not list a son Thomas as living, which is another tiny bit of evidence on the side of the 1814 baptism having an error.

I think we are currently missing quite a bit of information about the William who married Sarah and it would be good to fill this in as and when it can be found.

[SelDen]

I haven't had time to go through these, but they might help trace the movements of some of the Halberts.

For England & Wales:
http://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/landingpage/collection/p16445coll4

And for Scotland:
http://www.nls.uk/news/archive/2010/12/scottish-post-office-directories

http://scottishancestry.blogspot.co.nz/2010/10/scottish-directories-online.html

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Newcastle upon Tyne 1801 - image attached.

1850 James Halbert, White House, 57 Pilgrim Street
1855 James Halbert, Vict, White House, 86 Pilgrim Street
Also in the same issue was John Halbert - Cork Cutter, Back lane
1858 Barbara Halbert (Mrs) Shopkeeper, 52 High Street

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Hi Selden

The Halbert children of William and Sarah - so far. As you said plenty of scope for more children  and with only 6 children their Halbert family is comparatively small. I dont think we have the birth or death dates for either parent.

William born 5 Dec 1792
Alice born 1 April 1794
John 1795-1854
Sarah 27 July 1798
Elizabeth 1799
George Potts Halbert 1 March 1802

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The only William Halbert I could find fitting the timeframe is William Halbert marrying Sarah Hemp on 13 May 1791 in Saint Boltoph without Aldgate, London, England.

Ancestry has her as Sarah Kemp

I cant find further records for them in London. Thats not to say there arent any.

There are William and Sarah Halberts dying in Lancashire 1839, 1843 and Kent 1857 and Sarah Halbert dying on Pancras, London in 1837.

On ancestry someone has the right William marrying Sarah Robson but there are no records to provide proof.

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Baptisms for parents Thomas and Margaret in the mid 1860s

11 Apr 1864   
Dorothy   

17 Aug 1874   
Elizabeth Crawford   

5 Nov 1866   
Mary   

1 Apr 1872   
Sarah   

1 Apr 1872   
Thomas   

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I dont know if these are of any help. My Thomas childrens names. These are the english versions as some had only Maori names or used either Maori or English variants. It has been written that he had 11 children who survived to adulthood. I dont see any proof of that.

Alice b 1865
Thomas b 1863
Martha b 1856
Mary b 1853
Sarah b 1850
Kate b 1840
William b 1837
Otene b 1834

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I forgot to ask where this info came from. This Alice was the one born in 1794 to William and Sarah and who was unmarried?

Sarah, daughter of Alice, in the workhouse.

I can see the birth record on ancestry plus family search.

Thanks