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Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« on: Tuesday 09 May 17 01:01 BST (UK) »
I am looking for first marriage of Thomas Gwilliam who was born in 1811 at Goodrich.
1841 census shows him as living at Lillarsbrook House, Whitchurch, working as a Servant, he was a Widower aged 30 years. Also working at the same place, was a Susannah Haines.   He eventually married Susannah at St. Thomas Church Monmouth Wales on the 31 January, 1843.   Thomas Gwilliam then became a Servant for a Clergyman at Monmouth.

Wonder if anyone could assist me in checking parish records, to see what happened to Thomas Gwilliam in regard to his first marriage and most likely his wife's death.

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Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 07:25 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage.

Thomas Gwilliam - Mary Bailey. 1834 Walford, Herefordshire.
Mary Gwilliam. death 1839 Ludlow.

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 10:02 BST (UK) »
the Mary Gwilliam whose death was registered at Ludlow shows as 58 on the new GRO search. 1841 census doesn't show marital status so he may or may not be a widower by that stage.

Whitchurch, Walford & Goodrich are in the south of the county bordering Monmouthshire not that this is helping to find a burial for certain. There is a death registered in the Abergavenny district for a Mary Gwillim dec qtr 1839 aged 31, haven't found a matching burial as yet.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 10:46 BST (UK) »
1841 census

There is a Thomas Gwilliam, 30, with Susannah Gwilliam, 40 in Church Stretton, Shropshire.

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 11:58 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,
Don't think that one of Thomas & Susannah Gwilliam for 1841 census is ours as shown by you Solidrock. Thank you for that.   As far as we can determine Thomas Gwilliam & Susannah Haines in 1841 census at Whitchurch, is definitely them, before they married in Monmouth in 1843.
This has been quite a journey finding this family, we have now come up with a John Gwilliam b.1800, which seems to be Thomas Gwilliam's older brother, through DNA match and subsequent  family contact, we have ascertained that this John Gwilliam was sent to Australia as a convict, sentenced to death, but reduced to 14 years transportation. 

It would be good to confirm whom Thomas Gwilliam married on his first marriage, as we have marriage certificate to Susannah Haines, in 1843 at Monmouth Wales, where he is shown as a Widower.   So could easily be Mary Bailey, wondering if Parish records show the names of parents of Thomas Gwilliam to Mary Bailey.

Thomas Gwilliam was son of William Gwilliam b. 1776 Harewood and Margaret Matthews, married at Pencoyd 1st September, 1779.   William & Margaret Gwilliam had John b. 1800 , Mary b. 1803, Thomas b. 13.11.1811, James b. 1814, William b. 1814, George b. 1817 all born at Goodrich then Ann b. 1820 at Hentland.
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 12:12 BST (UK) »
parish marriages don't have the names & occupations of fathers as civil registration ones do. There should be 2 witnesses who may be related. Just checked the Forest of dean site for details, witnesses John Morgan & William Webb, both spouses made their mark. Thomas signed on his marriage to Susanna so may not be correct marriage.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 14:03 BST (UK) »
the Thomas & Mary in Walford are not the right couple as there's a baptism to them in 1850 & they're on 1851 census - ref HO107/1976 folio 372 pg 21.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 21:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you.   Yes the marriage certificate shows Lucy Haines and George Tuder as witnesses to their marriage, father of Thomas Gwilliam is William Gwillim, Labourer and father of Susan Haines is William Haines.    We have been able to connect up with these people.

Wonder if in the Parish Records, could be found any children to Thomas Gwillim and Mary Bailey.
Married in 1834 and she died in 1839, quite a possibility of children during that period.

jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Thomas gwilliam bap 13.11.1811 Goodrich
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 May 17 19:15 BST (UK) »
as per my previous post, Thomas & Mary do have children, all bp Walford
James 14 Dec 1834
Hester 20 Dec 1840
Elizabeth 10 Dec 1843
Thomas 1 Sep 1850
also a son John born c.1848 and a son George born c.1854
Mary buried 4 march 1864 aged 55
Thomas bd 23 Dec 1877 aged 74
Definitely not your Thomas.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb